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than one table. The infobox seems sufficient. The stats currently comprise only two facts anyways. Of course, if you mean that the stats are going to be included within the written article, that is appropriate. With regards to the external link, as I've said, I don't care if it is removed. I was just explaining why I included it in the first place. The only thing that I am disagreeing with you on, is the "Distance from" section. Town is erroneous terminology.
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Burgundavia (I like that name). I realise that the airport infobox isn't yet ready for universal implementation, but I thought it a worthwhile edition to the major Australian airports. I had no intention of adding it to all Australian airports, for the time being at least. It was hard enough to
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On reverting your edits, designating them as vandalism was perfectly valid. If you had reviewed your edits, you would have noticed the nonsensical duplication of the article. Your resentment, however, indicates that it was a mistake and not vandalism. But not knowing your edit history, I was unable
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Adelaide article. But the thanks really should be going to you! Hopefully the clean-up and your motivation will end this stagnate period,
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Now, I'm the first to admit that I know next to nothing about template syntax. I work around this by using various exemplars. But having two separate templates, one for stats and one for runways, sounds like an awful complication. And I don't see how this will change the problem of some airports
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I put a lot of thought into this. We need to create a runway template and the stats template. Thus aiports can have as many runways as they need and no stats if that is not available. I am also thinking of moving stats into a table, as well as and airline template. Your ideas are appreciated.
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Zealanders don't subscribe to the term. If not, then what of the many, many joint organisations that use "Australasia"? Rather, there is a naïvety among a small nationalist indoctrinated section of the society who see "Austral" and think "Australian domination", when it is simple latin.--
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Apologies if you took my comments personally (perhaps I should have added one of those horrible smiley things) - I have no wish to upset you, as my feelings on your edits are equally positive. However, the term is widely used in New Zealand to refer to Australia and Papua New Guinea,
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find the stats for the major aiports, let alone attempting the minors. For the templates you've created, great work! I did a little bit of re-arranging for the Australian airports - "Closest Town"/"Distance from" changed to city and IATA/ICAO codes moved lower. I've now created
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I don't think it would be appropriate to list it whilst the conflict continues. I have not voted on the new VfD because I have not yet come to a personal conclusion. Whatever the resolution is, it is likely to effect all Wikiportals - ergo, the list is essentially a
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should go against there. There is long standing WP policy to avoid external links wherever possible and to place them in clearly defined places, which this isnt. The current box is one I am going to roll out across all the airports.
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I have not tested this, but what you would have is a runway template and then on each page you would have as many links to the template as you need. Templates are expanded server-side, before the client see them. Is that clearer?
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is the correct term, and one that is applicable to all airports. Anyone who requires clarification can follow the link (the point of a wiki) and see its near-equivalent 'downtown'.--
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I'll accept this as a reasonable compromise. I was really not happy at all that someone deleted the previous copy of Darwin with its history in order to move
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