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to do that on my behalf, I would be most grateful for your assistance. The clear policy-based consensus was to delete, I'm sure any competent editor would agree. Your understanding of this is appreciated.
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can write an article on a 13 year old boy about whom they seem to have a rather unhealthy obsession. How is this acceptable? How is this protecting minors? How is this in line with notability policy?
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this is an issue of child protection when the likes of the
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why the article's content is problematic, and not on various editors' supposed conduct and issues, we wouldn't be here. If you want to contest the block,
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