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First of all , the descendants of Purus were not known as
Pauravas even in Mahabharata times. His lineage had morphed into Kurus, of which a later offshoot was Pandavas, after a later descendant of Puru. The Porus of Greek writers is linked with "Parasois" which is a Greek translaton of "Prachaya" , literally meaning "Easterner". Chandragupta was also described as "Parasoi" by Greek writers to indicate Magadha as his origin which was further on the east of Mathura. Porus , in the context Tod is trying to argue, means more a "king of easterners" than a "descendant of Puru". It would be natural for a king hailing from Mathura to be known as "Parasoi" or "Easterner" in Punjab (west of Mathura). Tod's mention of Puru- the brother of Yadu- and his link with founding of Prayag , a place venerated by Yadus- is a red herring and contributes nothing to the conclusion he reached about Porus being a Parasoi , or "Easterner", or "Prachaya".
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I disagree with Yadu-Puru linkage. It doesn't reflect the real lineage of the 2 tribes. Porus was known as King of
Pauravas.Rigvedic Puru was also known and Paurava. Kurus were descendants of Purus. Tod is specifically saying second son of Yayati when he is talking about Puru. Parsoi meant east from
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Megasthenese are talking about the races of Alexander's time. I personally own this book. All later accounts are based on Greek historian accounts. There is no Indian written records from 326BC. There is another one from Firdaus from that time who claimed Porus actually even won the
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Megesthenes mentions Shoorsainis held twin cities Mathura and Shoorpura is already factored into Tod's thought. The passage where he links Porus with Shoorsainis comes after his mention of Megesthenes description of Shoorsainis. Tod contextualized Megesthenes timeframe as he had
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I added reference to Shiva's theory and gave a link to the article you started. Since the author does not make any mention of Porus, it is better explained in the
Heracles article. More content can be added to it there. Drawing infrence from it to question Tod's theory would consititue a synthesis
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On another note, Yadus cannot be excluded from Tod's mention of Puru dynasties , since he uses Puru in dual sense to mean the lineage from Yadus' brother and also "Eastreners" as derived from
Parasois (skt. Prachaya). Infact, the linking of Porus with 'Paurava' is not supported by Greek writings.
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Mathura, while the route from Mathura to Dvaraka southward through a desert. This part of the Krsna legend could be brought to earth by digging at Dvaraka, but also digging at Darwaz in Afghanistan, whose name means the same thing and which is the more probable destination of refugees from
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Gandhari's curse. In fact he regards himself a surviving descendant of them. Mahabharata and Visnu Purana both indicate that Yadus moved to Punjab and Afghanistan after Dwaraka's submersion. This is already stated in cited secondary sources as well:
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Yadavas in Punjab after Krishna's demise.
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Yadus were not entitled to use the lineage Somvanshi or Chandravanshi. That is why Yaduvansh was started by Yadu. Puru was given the Prayag area. Yadu was given area along the coast of the Arabian Sea and into the Vindhya Mountain.
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The topic has lot citations from various indologists. There are references to various books written by many historians. The IP address removed lots of information which had citations. Which part are you referring in particular?
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Puru became the patronymic of this branch of the Lunar race. Of this Alexander's historians made Porus. The Suraseni of Methoras (descendants of the Soor Sen of Mathura) were all Purus, the Prasioi of Megasthenes...
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When Alexander attacked the ' free cities ' of Panchala, the Purus and Harikulas who opposed him evinced the recollections of their ancestor, in carrying the figure of Hercules as their standard.
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Even Chanakya's Arthashaster talks about Kurus and Shoorshenis seperately. Shoorsenis only possessed Mathura and area around throughout. Kuru possessed Indraprastha and current Pakistan.
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I have read Shahnameh reference of Buddha Prakash before and have tried to quote it before in this article. Maybe you could expand it as an alternative theory.
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