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often see families added and I think "she's not in that family" but then I realise it's because they married into it. But Laura Beale's family tree isn't in the Beale tree, it doesn't show anyone she is related to by blood other than her son, who is already listed in her infobox. The family link was actually added to link to a family article with a family tree that shows the rest of that person's relatives. But for Whitney, linking to the Carters doesn't show any of her relatives. So actually I'd be more in favour of removing the family link if it's only through marriage. Also, I think a message is better than an edit summary :-) —

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sorted it out, and I think we should go with commonname in these sections, and yes it would mean saying, for example, that Dennis (Jnr)'s mother is Sharon Watts when has never been Sharon Watts while Dennis has been around, but it's actually not to do with the name but the character - Sharon Watts, Sharon Rickman and Sharon Mitchell are all the same character. So yes, common name is my thinking. I'd be interested to hear what others think about this....

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I've seen it been her referred in media as Mel Beale. Plus, we adopt common name for the pages themselves because they are better known because it gets so confusing with name changes. It's kind of backtracking on ourselves if we say "No, Stacey's common name is Stacey Slater, so the page stays as Stacey Slater" then "No, Stacey is Fowler because she's married to Martin."

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In fiction, it's not always about how people are related through blood, but how they fit together as a unit. I find Whitney hard to place at the moment, I'd put her and Tiffany together as the only current Jacksons. While we're on the subject of families, I thought I'd mention that there are plans for a list of families with all the trees in that

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I get that The Forge is the production company and I get that some of the main cast is listed, but there lies the problem...it is only some. Admittedly the likes of Friar, Hickman, Sarker, Joyner and Nicholls are established actors amongst the main cast, but there is also more newer and rising actors

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The thing that annoys me most is seeing character names constantly being changed in infobox family sections. Sometimes it's "current" name, sometimes it's article name, sometimes it's most-relevant-to-the-character-in-question name (can't think of any examples right now!). But it's definitely time we

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Hi, I think it's potentially misleading if list a family like Carter for Whitney without saying it's by marriage as it looks like it's through being born into that family. I'm not suggesting adding it for adoptions, and for Sharon there would be no qualifier as she is adopted into the Watts family. I

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I'd be against it because look how complicated the Mitchell tree is compared to what we have, and how much space it takes up. Yes the collapsible option is there, but as it is, I think it's easier to understand and I don't think it should be collapsed because the family link in the character infobox

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Whilst we're on the subject of common names, do you think Rebecca should change to Bex Fowler in heading and stuff? Bex was adopted for Bex 4 years now is it? She was Chloe in 2000/2001 and Rebecca in 2002, 2005-2007 and part of 2014? And is Lily more notable as Fowler or Branning: she was a baby in

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Fair enough. I was wondering after seeing your edit summary on Ian Beale's page about his wives surnames: I think we should adopt common name for it. For Jane, hands down, she is known as Jane Beale where as Mel is more known as Owen, even now (mainly because she's credited by it), but I don't think

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Thanks, I do enjoy your trees but I agree that they aren't ideal for articles - it's your own project. You make a good point though. In the Carters' article, under the family chart, Babe and Elaine are mentioned, but Halfway could also be mentioned (Whitney was married to Lee so she's in the tree).

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Though I'm gratified someone's noticed and appreciated the charts I keep, they aren't really intended for the purpose mooted. As noted, several of them are rather too complex for use in an article. Personally, I would favour conveying the information in a format where the members without any proper

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The lists will end up taking up way too much room on the main page, which is why they are separated and the dictated and preferred style as per the television manual of style. Think about it: it's always a changing, developing cast that's hugely popular on it's sixth series, with a seventh on the

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Just like Ian Beale on the EastEnders page, while Sophie may not be gone for good she has been off-screen for too long and is not set to return in the near future therefore it is completely incorrect to list her as a current character. By your logic we should also consider Emily Bishop and Rosie

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Hello, it turns out as per the following Direct Message on Twitter from Emma Reeves, received by a member of the Tracy Beaker Wikia site, that Michael's surname is Grice. I have corrected it where necessary to relevant pages (eg: Character long-list, Series 3 page etc). I am unable to rename the

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Just an update on this conversation: a few weeks ago, I completely changed the format on the article and forgot to leave a message on your talk page. I don't want it to seem like I was trying to undo the work you'd put into the article! I decided to reformat the article because another user had

1043:(I hope he doesn't mind my sharing this) and if you have a look at some of them, they are very complicated. I think the way we do the family trees in the other family pages is easier to follow. But we can ditch the families in the infobox anyway - it's really meant to include a sub-box, like in 545:

It's fine: you'll pick it up along the way. I'll see about adding more to it, but just a tip: you may get the temptation to create articles, but before that, you have to make sure they are notable and reliable sources to back it up. And you can always test stuff out in your sandbox.

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I was looking back on a conversation regarding guardians/wards. Bex's adopted grandmother, Margaret Wilson, was her guardian following the death of her adoptive mum and dad, Sue and Neil. What do we do in this case? Legally, Margaret is/was Bex's grandparent the same as Pauline.

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Please stop incorrectly editing Sophie Webster's page to portray her as a current character. The character is long gone. No maternity leave lasts for two years, most only last for eight months. When she returns you can add her back but for now your edits are misleading.

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be just recurring or guest, but it's just that one line...and who is to say she won't be a main character in the capacity of a parent? I really think the episode should air for us to make that decision and if she does make 1 or 2 episodes, then the change can happen.

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Well, say we implement this now and other editors have problems with it, I'll link this discussion and if they have a problem with it being on my talkpage, then restart the conversation on the page. It's normally really hard to get others to put their opinion.

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I do have an idea once I learn how to do it. I looked at the EE 1997 Ireland episode pages and the family tree, which is collapsible. If by any chance I get my head round it, maybe we could ditch the family section in the infobox and have a family tree?

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to the correct spelling (and the same for Elaine Boyak/Boyack-gate too) - owing to my little knowledge other than basic editing skills on this site (I suspect I am required to sign up, perhaps) but if you're able to assist I'd be very appreciative.

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They are good. Well, if we ask the user, how about then doing away with family trees and simply put in family trees at the bottom of the page under a new section on each page "Family" and make them collapsible so they don't take up so much room?

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Hey! Do you happen to know the director and writer for Episode 6? Also, a user just added ratings for Episode 4 with a poorly formatted source, yet when I checked the source, I can't find the 1.15m listed there. Are you seeing the same thing? –

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Hi. I think it's necessary to have that small list of characters for The Dumping Ground, as it shows people in a more clearer and simple way of which characters from previous Tracy Beaker installments starred in

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brings you to an article with a list of other family members showing how they are related. If you are curious to the someone's other relatives that aren't in the infobox, it's easy to find. We should stick with

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Because Lily has had nothing to do with the Brannings, with or without the surname Branning, apart from Whitney and Tiffany as Bianca's kids. She's practically Martin's daughter, the same as Bex and Hope.

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Just a random message to say thank you for your great contributions to my Sam Retford article - you made it look much better! It’s my first ever article, I’m a bit of a newbie, so I appreciate it!

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for the larger families - Branning, Beale, Mitchell, Slater, Carter. Even the Watts family is complicated due to Sharon's adoption and marrying her adoptive brother so best leave that as well. —

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seem confusing – I wasn’t trying to undo what you’d changed! I wanted to get back the coding from guest appearances to make sure it all looked the same. The article should be correct now. –

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Brooke's had another baby, so it's going to be extended. Maternity leave for one baby isn't for the second. Why don't you find a source saying she has definitely left? Because she hasn't.

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Never thought of that. I see you point now, sorry for bothering you. How about a small list of the TSOTB and TBR characters that appeared in The Dumping Ground of TDG characters page?

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In a bit of a rush, I didn't pay attention to the titles, so I'll check later today. If something doesn't match to a source, it's probably someone making it up or something.

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Just for a few minutes, can you not edit the page please? Just so I don't loose something I'm doing to make things easier. And then once I've done, I'll show you.

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Because last year when I edited it, some user decided to put the cast in their chosen order instead of sticking with the way it should have been done.

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started making incomplete changes to the article that made it confusing, so I decided it'd be easier to change the format - I hope that's okay! –

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I think that Bex should be Bex Fowler now and I'm unsure about Lily since she is still a child - leaning more towards Fowler though...

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Hope you had a good Christmas/holiday/etc. As we've changed Bex and Lily, how about changing William Mitchell to Will Mitchell? —

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I know, I mean if we call this consensus other editors might think we're sneaky for doing it outside of the article talkspace. —

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I'd happily go with Bex Fowler and Lily Fowler. We used to use Google News to see what had the most results but Google News is

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Hi, I'll check definite later, but I do believe the 2 Murgatroyd lads were in series 2. But like I said, I will check.

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Another query for you; on the character list page, Jack Murgatroyd is listed as present for series 1–3, but

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2010 as Lily Branning, came back as Lily Branning for 2014-2016 and Lily Fowler since 2016?

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Webster as current characters because neither "officially" left... absolutely ridiculous.

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Woo. This maybe wasn't the best place to discuss it but oh well :-) —

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Hi again! Regarding Liz White: the Forge's Ackley page (

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I think the simplest solution would be the common name.

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