40:"who cares what they're motivations are, they're helping out regardless" - it would nevertheless be a loss for the non-profit nature of Knowledge (XXG). We haven't had this issue before because did you know articles, featured articles, and news stories can't be released to us for our use - but images can, and once we place one ex-commercial image on the main page, we will get a lot more, and the door will be too wide open to close again. Any mid-size or large corporation which sells products related to something that a picture can be taken of can easily pony up the money for a professional photographer to come take a spectacular picture, and from there it's just a skip, hop and step over to Knowledge (XXG)'s main page. We shouldn't let that happen. You can't (or at least, aren't supposed to be able to) buy an spot in a Knowledge (XXG) article, even though a few people have tried, and even less a spot on the main page. In conclusion, this image and images like it should not be featured as pictures of the day. Is there a better place to state this objection?
368:, where the copy right holder, very graciously, released. Because of the quality of the photo (obvious), and the fact that this would inadvertently be almost a reward for releasing some of the best quality work one could hope for (professional quality), it simply makes sense to feature this as POTD. Oh, yeah, and think of this all you "is it valuable to the project" people: How many people would spread the word of 'Knowledge (XXG)'s featured picture', in turn driving people to the site, in turn exposing this additional traffic to the "donate now" button. Win/win all around.
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Per the no self references policy, I wonder if we should mention wikipedia in this way. Perhaps an exception is in order but then again, is it really necessary? Does it matter who she donated it to? Or isn't all that matters really that it's a free professional glamour photo. Maybe emphasise that it
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Something like this is exactly what would prompt me to finally register an account -- just so I could vote support! (I'm serious). It is so, so rare to get a professionally shot photo of a model released of copyright for public use. I bet there are only a dozen or so in this entire encyclopedia, and
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I don't think promotional, ex-commercial images should be featured on the main page. Featured, sure, but by giving them space on the main page we're going to see a flood of corporate interests releasing images to us solely for the purpose of getting a POTD spot. While this might at first seem okay -
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Wikimedia is to encourage the creation of free content, and if we manage to get corporate interests to release their intellectual property as free content, it's a win for us. We are in no way
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Very long time later (despite what some may think I'm not desperate to get this featured, it was a semi joke suggestion to feature it on the wikipedia anniversary which got me thinking of this so I thought I might as well mention it). It occurs to me one thing which may partially allay some of the
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I disagree with the comment about the picture being featured because of "sophomoric support comments." Yes, there are a few of those on the page, but if I had closed that nomination, I would have ignored them anyway. Many of the support voters expressed their view that the picture fulfills all the
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and a number of commercial shots he hasn't released. Would you suggest we then ban his images from ever appearing on the Main Page on the basis that it's free advertising for this photographer? How is the image any different than it was the day before his announcement?
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is actually a Fox News program, not VH1.) I'll do some work on the article tomorrow - Ms. Merkin actually passed along some references with the photos, but I never got around to incorporating and updating the info. Will get it done as soon as possible.
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Michelle Merkin is an encyclopedic subject (and since she has an article, I don't find that a problem).
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