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I think we're concluding that it's okay to use xxx Valley where there is a river xxx, and I am beginning to share your doubt about Hölle Valley where there is no river of that name. I have not seen Hölle Valley used in an
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No problem, I should often manage with this type of "errors". Interwikis Bots couldn't understood that two articles doesn't concern the same thing. They only follow links, corrects or incorrects ones. But I couldn't add all articles in my watchlist, I have already more than 6000 articles on french
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Hi G-41613, interesting article on John Peck. I noticed one typo that I can't fix, and one possible typo. You have her burthen as "20 to 20 tons". Also, you state that his "plans later on were close to intellegible". Did you mean "unintelligible"? Cheers,
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