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culpability in the massacre of Polish citizens. On November 26, 2010, the State Duma of the Russian Federation made its first public statement noting the personal responsibility of Stalin and his associates as the main perpetrators of Katyn Massacre.29 In 2010, copies of 137 of the 183 volumes of unclassified materials of the Russian investigation of the Katyn criminal case were handed over to Poland.30 But none of the other thirty-six secret or top secret volumes has yet been declassified and handed over.31 On January 26, 2011, President Medvedev’s press office commented that the declassification of Katyn materials is ongoing and the copies will be transferred to Poland.32 Formally, there is no contradiction: the recognition of the classification as legal in the past does not preclude the declassification in the future. Despite the recent decision of the Russian Supreme Court, some shift of Russia’s official position may occur, at least on the declassification.

2651:, let me tell you that I am very sympathetic to anarchism and to repressed anarchists, as with many other repressed victims, and I think the wording is perfectly fine and is not the issue but sourcing may be one, as you cited this to The Anarchist Library (I personally like and appreciate it as a library, and I have used it as a source, e.g. when there was not a Google Books link), something that I did too in the past but have since then become more strict in reading of our policies and guidelines, which can be considered as a self-published source. I am not going to remove that stuff because it is indeed true, and the wording is not the problem, but it would be better if we could cite the quote to a secondary book instead, and do the same for the Bolshevik repression of anarchists, from which I am sure there are plenty of academic books about it, so it should be easy to find. 3378:(see. below) ? "These "referendums" have nothing to do with the free, democratic expression of the will of the people, as they were held under conditions of Russian terror, psychological pressure and persecution of Ukrainian citizens and Ukrainian activists, whom the occupying Russian authorities threw and continue to throw into prisons, torture chambers and filtration camps. They also violate intentional laws and Ukrainian legislation." This above excerpt should be included in the article. I placed this excerpt in the Ukrainian and Russian Knowledge articles on these referendums. I can not edit the article why I ask you to do this. Please see also 2202:

was not going to push any specific POV, and my own view was that both parties (DK and you) are misintereting the Duma's declaration by emphacising only part of information (which, as I suspect, corresponds to your personal POV). Therefore, my initial proposal (the text that I proposed on the talk page) was an almost verbatim reproduction of the Duma's declaration, and you must admit that is was much closer to the original that your and DK's POV-laden interpretations. I am not providing diffs, because I am sure you are perfectly aware of what I mean, but I can provide them upon a request.

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if you provide an equally reliable, e.g. academic peer-reviewed article, in support of this) and dismissed my scholarly sources as obscure or just their views — but let me remind you that it is scholars' views that matter, not ours (this is how Knowledge works), which is why I want you to realize that I am expressing my personal views, which are in fact closer to yours than you realize, but I am simply summarizing what respected scholars say. The

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example, if a different, more neutral keyword set yielded 15 sources saying Duma blamed Soviet totalitarian state without mentioning STalin's personal role. You also could point at some fundamental flaws in my approach in general. Note, I even reverted DK's edit, who reverted the change proposed by you. You must agree I did my best to provide a calm and respectful atmosphere for resolving that dispute.

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provided that you are ready to listen. However, if you don't want to listen and are going to continue in the same vein (accusations of others of disruptive editing, POV pushing, and canvassing), I will report you. I see you have been duly notified that you are working in the area covered by WP:ARBEE, which means I may resort to WP:AE.

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According to this resolution adopted by the Lower House of the Russian Parliament, the Katyn crime represents mass extermination of thousands of Polish citizens held in the Soviet prisoner-of-war camps and prisons, and it thus constitutes an act of terrorism of the totalitarian state. This resolution

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I continued to digging sources from the same list, and I found two more good quality sources that seem relevant. One sources (Kerry Longhurst. Where from, where to? New and old configurations in Poland's foreign and security policy priorities. Communist and Post-Communist Studies, Volume 46, Issue 3,

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Hi, and thanks for your contribution to this article. It is currently up for formal review as a Good Article, so obviously I'd hope to minimise any changes at this stage. There is some logic in having both the biological and political context, but these things should both be brief. The quotation is I

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Sorry, I was doing some real life and didn't get your message till now. I wholeheartedly endorse KrakatoaKatie's action - page block with recommendation to use the talk page, on which I now see some starts toward resolving the dispute. If that fails, one can always escalate up to dispute mediation.

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dispute anything of what you said — my main issue is that you provided no source (e.g. while I do not personally doubt that "whenever such claims are being raised usually by right-wing politicians they are promptly and correctly dismissed as Holocaust denialism and whataboutism", it would be helpful

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and I am certainly not a denialist; while I thank you for what you wrote, I was and remain full aware of it and all the other victims — if I appear "too soft" on Communism is because I think you are being too extreme on it by equating it with Nazism (from the POV of those who lived under both regime

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Your accusations are absolutely false, and they may be interpreted as personal attacks. You misinterpreted my words absolutely blatantly, and my only hope is that is a result of a good faith and sincere misunderstanding. If that is the case, I can, once again, explain my position, provided, but only

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The Polish government acknowledged that the accident investigation was conducted in an open and honest manner. Moreover, in the aftermath of the accident Russia published a large number of previously restricted documents on the Katyn Massacre. Furthermore, the Russian Duma passed a resolution which

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However, in 2010, a new situation arose. After seventeen years of silence, the Russian authorities at last articulated Russia’s political position on the Katyn Massacre. Prime Minister Vladamir Putin, and then more definitively President Dmitry Medvedev, publicly voiced their opinion about Stalin’s

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First. I joined this Katyn dispute primarily to demonstrate my approach to resolving that type disputes. I hoped (and I am still hoping) that we will be working together on the MKuCR article (which is, frankly speaking, awful from the NOR/NPOV point of view). It is can be easily demonstrated that I

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I wanted to make you aware of discretionary sanctions around the topic of climate change, which means we're held to slightly higher behavioural standards because of the sensitivity of the topic. I would like to encourage you to continue as you do, seek consensus, and maybe be a bit less bold (as to

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I'm assuming from a comment you made, from memory, that I can remove you from the participants in the related DR; it goes without saying you can revert what I am about to do. Any other perspective in the discussion was useful to me, so I read what you have already contributed with appreciation for

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Let me reiterate. In this concrete case, my goal was to demonstrate how should we work with sources. I gave you an example, and I gave you a hint how to respond if you disagree. You could (i) point at some logical error in my words or conclusions, (ii) demonstrate that my sources are not good (for

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when the mention of "totalitarian state" appears in the sources found by me, although the stress is still made on Stalin personally. However, it took special efforts to find the source that (partially) supports your POV. IMO, that perfectly demonstrates who is neutral in that dispute, and who is

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I need to come to an agreement on how we should resolve disputes using good quality peer-reviewed secondary sources found according some neutral and unbiased way. If we come to such an agreement, I need no apologies, because the utmost disrespect that I cannot tolerate is a disrespect for logic.

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Guys, I don't know what's going on here, but that's an edit war and 3RR was violated. I almost blocked both of you (you and the IP) but locked the page instead. To my eyes, this is a content dispute. Talk it out, please - the article talk page hasn't been edited since February 2015. Thanks.

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Knowledge has lots of people reading it. Not just pest management professionals. So I do think it would be good if we could cater to both understandings - so instead of removing that part of the WP article, if you (or someone, like maybe me) could use both kinds of terminology and make it

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I noticed your comment, "Jesus was not obsessed about the necessity of "violent revolution", while Marx was." In fact Marx never called for "violent revolution" other than in the 1848 French rvolution which resulted in the Second Republic. But even then, it is disputed.

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which is consistent with the description provided by the above sources. Another source (Michael P. Scharf and Maria Szonert-Binienda, Katyn: Justice Delayed or Justice Denied - Report of the Cleveland Experts' Meeting, 44 Case W. Res. J. Int'l L. 535 (2012) Available at:

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No, he dismissed the state of the article as propaganda, a reasonable thing to do when even most of those who !voted keep agree it needs a lot of work to comply with policies relating to sourcing and neutrality. I'll admit I am quite disappointed that you

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as it's a fantastic collection of quotes from Marx and Engels justifying use of violence and terror, carefully picked by Lenin to argue that Marx and Engels writings were "a veritable panegyric on violent revolution". Additional quotes can be found in

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861:. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of 3330:, much less take back, why it's a problem to caricature those who disagree with your sources or your framing as rabid antisemites who would call everything they don't like "Jewish propaganda". Especially when your sources included ones listed at 2842:

do you mean my proposal about withdrawing myself from the dispute together with the other editors involved in AfD? If yes, then sure, I do. If it's something else then sorry, I had busy week and haven't followed the recent developments closely.

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feel rather on the long side, and its citation is incomplete; would you feel able to cut it down a bit? The reviewer will very likely ask for a full bibliographic citation for it so it would be best if we could fill that in now. All the best,

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Obviously, if the two reliable sources stress one aspect of the Duma's declaration and ignore another one, then we must follow what those sources say. In connection to that, I proposed another wording, which was in accordance with those two

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admitted that Josef Stalin had personally ordered the Katyn Massacre, an admission that the Poles had sought for a long time, the Duma declaration also called for the massacre to be investigated further to confirm the list of victims

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I have no clue who Nableezy is and what is his ethnic background. It doesn't really matter if he was Swedish or Egyptian. What does matter is that he in wholesale dismisses Hamas policy confirmed by countless cases as "propaganda".

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scholars disagree with this view); if you were truly arguing with a pro-Communist or denialist, trust me, I would be the first to criticize them and be called an anti-communist and a bourgeois useful idiot in return, e.g. see

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I will assume good faith and proceed as though this was not your intention, but I hope you will understand how your language could be perceived that way and I ask that you try to avoid such behavior in the future.

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also says: "In some former Eastern Bloc countries, Holocaust deniers do not deny the mass murder of Jews, but deny the participation of their own nationals in the Holocaust." The cited ref is the academic journal

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Nableezy at no point used the words "Jewish propaganda" and your putting words in his mouth to baselessly accuse him of antisemitism over a neutrality/sourcing dispute came off as incredibly racist.

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I found that both of them emphasize the role of Stalin and tell nothing about the "totalitarian state". Indeed, extended quotes from those sources can be found below:

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I provided links to those pdf's, and I hope you can easily check that I am quoting those two articles correctly and do not take author's words out of context.

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alone took life of 6 million Jews, ... ." As you are clearly aware, even saying it was less than 6 million Jews is a form of denialism,

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And what I got in a responce? Personal attacks and accusations of POV pushing. Do you really believe it is appropriate?

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