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1073:, I received an email query about copyright violation but am not sure how to send my reply so I am putting it here. It appears to me the yuge problem about Dr Berzin's article jumped on by certain other editors is that a person unskilled in Knowledge editing (not me!) simply copied and pasted here the good Dr's potted bio from one of his websites without permission. Some pedantic watchdog accused this poor naive person of copyright violation and plagiarism. Someone wrote to the Dr to get his permission to use the potted bio which was willingly provided, but a mistake was made in that the permission was related to a different version of the potted bio. Again the warriors of righteousness leapt onto this horrible bungled effort to appease them and all sorts of nasty notices and deletions of text followed. What I suggest is that someone cobbles together a new potted bio roughly based on different potted bios that have been published about the good Dr o his websites old and new and on conferences he might have attended as a contributor or speaker. But it should be re-worded in a general manner to avoid the accusations of copyright violation and plagiarism by those who have it in for Dr Berzn and the people trying to write something about him here. Who, sadly, remind me of Trump's childish, nay, infantile rants and attacks on anyone he does not like. I started learning to be an WP editor on subjects I know a little about and am astonished at the unsympathetic attitudes taken by certain people who I would have thought ought to know better. But WP is like that, there are many good editors working here in friendly and enjoyable cooperation as well. We just have to take the rough with the smmooth. Please let me know how I can email back to you in case the dreaded WP ogres will now jump on me for breaking all the rules of civility and so forth here. 1781: 898: 1566: 1111: 607: 1293: 1480: 1049:
can simply restore it all, citing it to the webpage. At best it's a self-published, primary source. What we could use it to verify is extremely limited. I could write up an RfC around some imagined attempt to restore all the information from the biography, but I don't think there's any chance it would help. I don't see how we could do anything but repeat
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Moonsell, I understand that you are unhappy with the discussion but additional personal attacks against Ronz may lead to complaints about your behaviour. You wrote "The first attack, in late July 2016 began with trolling contributors here with tags ." Accusations ("trolling") without evidence (diffs)
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I'm not clear on how a proper RfC can be made around this dispute. Obviously, there is objection over the removal of the copyright-violating content. I've not paid too much attention, but I believe there were some efforts to put the biography that was copied into public domain. That doesn't mean we
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Talk of trolling has upset you both especially. You've found it hurtful. I've been reticent all along to call it that. From my side, it's taken me a year to spit it out. Thank you for your measured responses but once again, please, please, reread the talk carefully from the beginning. Even at this
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In the first paragraph of our article I count at least 21 assertions. Not one of them is sourced. Is this bad? No, because "all" and "everything" in this rule can't be taken literally. Wouldn't WP trivialize itself if it insisted on citations for things that aren't controversial, let alone things
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What comes across clearly to me as edit warring is not the same thing as being outraged about it and I once heard something that's hard to forget: "The standard you walk past is the standard you accept." Ronz has had ample scope to reassure us he wasn't trolling as well as all the rest: above all
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b) the problem of what to expect from you in future. There are other more important articles which I worry are not safe from this treatment. Some touch on the content (that once was) of the Berzin article. They are quality things that have developed over years and that quality is what's at
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think the fact is obvious, another editor didn't. That would seem glaringly obvious to me. I was not the editor who added the citation request, as you imply. Any editor has the right to do so, and no editor has the right to remove the request without supplying the citation. Don't be lazy,
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I've seen editing like this on a smaller scale before and in consequence I find I've taken a back seat on WP more and more, as I have till lately on the Berzin article. Ronz's most recent post in the talk vividly revives the question in my mind of what we can expect from you in
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Someone put the tag on three years ago. No one knows why. We could root around trying to find a source, but the claim in the article has never been disputed. I don't understand what way we can call that a challenge. And where would one even go about looking for a
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2. I started the discussion respectfully, helpfully, assuming good faith on your talk page. You weren't interested but specifically didn't want the talk there. You yourself four months ago started the new discussion where it is. Now is not the time to chop and
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My concern with your question is that it has nothing to do with improving this encyclopedia in any way, nor do I see how it improves our working together. Maybe you could explain why you asked the question and what you want to achieve by discussing the topic?
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youre anywhere with anyone else on the understanding of things as they are found - I dont think you'll get many answers - there is a peculiar smell to the range of articles and the confusions that arise between content and context - anyone's guess imho.
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I see no purpose to your further comments at this point. Could you please stop them? We're getting no where with the discussions here and on the article talk page. There are other steps you can take to resolve whatever dispute you still see, outlined in
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Thanks for the comment on your revert of the tag, Skyerise. I'm not going to insist on my edit since it doesn't matter. You base your insistance on WP:V, though. This does matter as it could create misunderstanding for us in
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I have found earlier comments you have made - not sure I can either help or offer any counsel on the issues you raise - the nature of the beast is best to walk away for a while, and come back in a manner of speaking.
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There's something missing here and it's a worry. Actions speak louder than words, so to look at the Berzin article now… Don't trivialise this. Above all, we need you to reassure us about what we can expect from you in
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3. From the start I tried to give you a heads-up about sensitivities with the editing you were hinting at. Now it doesn't concern just you and me and the question has become a crucial one, particularly in that
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In the 3 years that this tag's been in place, you're the first person who's found this controversial. But what would anyone want to object to? WP:V is poorly written and our only course of action is common
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2) The second bit narrows it down: "material challenged or likely to be challenged". This is what I meant by "relevant objection". WP looks just silly if it sources things that no one would object to.
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Behaviour is another matter. I promise you, I don't criticise capriciously and not for its own sake. There has to be something important at stake to drag me out of my shell.
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To answer your question on how I came across the article: I looks like I was investigating the spamming and promotion of studybuddhism.com against a conflict of interest by
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Thank you for the advice, Jim. Not only are the things you urge timely, but the way you write is a model for how I need to get a grip on my words that is even more powerful.
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I've asked some simple questions to clarify if you are even reading my responses and to determine what purpose these discussions serve. You are choosing not to answer? --
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stage, don't just scan. Ask yourself if you're really seeing the other side and give some sign that you are. Please take the time to see what the talk is saying.
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Jim and Ronz, we're all volunteers here. If we met we might well be friends. I have no problem with either of you personally. If you think I have, show me how.
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There's an official warning for that, which I didn't use because I was trying to be kind, but since you like to Wikilawyer, I will post it after this reply.
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There are two things here: "all material" and "material challenged or likely to be challenged". They're not the same. Let's take them one by one.
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has nothing to do with improving the article in any way, could you please remove it? It should have been placed on my talk page instead.
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The tagged assertion is a commonplace and as I said, it doesn't matter. I saw my edit as just a bit of work by a volunteer, cleaning up.
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As you know, I have never contributed to the Berzin article, and we all know it's not an important one. However, there are two problems:
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If you've ever tried to do this, I must have missed it. Apparently, you've missed mine. Are you interested in addressing this yourself?
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Thanks for taking the time to post here, Hipal. I have no idea what you mean, though. Did you revert something? Best wishes.
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a) the ethics of the editing practices I feel you've made a show of there. It's all in the talk and not just by me.
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I have no idea what you want at this point. It's not clear to me that you have read and understand my response.
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Hi Moonsell. I'm not sure what to say here that can help the situation. I hope this won't escalate further. --
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Thanks for the elaboration, Skyerise. Please can we keep this non-aggressive.
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I see. It's obviously gotten quite convoluted. Maybe it's just too hard.
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