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that "funk elements" or even "dark funk elements" are the defining characteristic of "Neurofunk" is beyond ludicrous. Being a producer and a DJ since the term started to stake its claim, exacerbated particularly by the old neurofunk.com site (now gone), I've heard and continue to hear just about every Drum & Bass track that hits the shelves and if not via vinyl, then via download or online samples on sites like Chemical Records, Red-Eye, Breakbeat Science, etc. I make it my business to listen to as many tracks per day/week/month as possible. I'm a head, and I love Drum & Bass as a whole -- it is and always will be my favorite musical genre, despite the downward turn it's taken these last few years and vinyl all but dying out -- so like any other good aficionado of something I keep up with it all the time. Now while I can't claim to have heard every single track from every artist, I can claim to have heard almost every track by all the artists named in the discussion here. And I can say unequivocally that I've definitely heard enough to get a solidified idea of their typical sounds and style -- and own just about every single, EP and LP put out by the main "Neurofunk artists" in question/contention within this discussion (Ed Rush & Optical, Ryme Tyme, Matrix, Stakka & Skynet, Kemal & Rob Data, etc., etc., and can take pictures to prove it). That said, I'll now touch on what you said last, "Drum and Bass has always been a small underground musical style, and has evolved as a mixture of different styles. As a result, you will always have considerable overlap between different genres."

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though the consensus view on DOA is that most Dogs actually don't accept the term as legitimate, as shown in another link in some of the previous discussion logs. However, those that DO claim it's a style can nary muster the ability to actually define it with anything substantial or agreeable. The "funk elements" argument obviously is invalid, since all DnB, by its very virtue, in every single genre, contains lots of funk elements. The only other real believable argument is it's "more danceable." Okay, well, that may be -- but that still goes against the original definition of the "term" Neurofunk, since The Cult isn't funky or very danceable at all. Thus, you could coin it as "neo-Neurofunk" if you want to somehow link it to the original (though I personally can't see the minutest connection in sounds from The Cult to The Creeps), but that would also mean Ed Rush and optical didn't pioneer anything. I mean, okay, take this as another example: Desimal termed /classified his personal style as "Biofunk," not Neurofunk, all right? Does that make it a legitimate style just because he used that term to describe his work? Absolutely not. I could call my style "Dibbiwawafunk" and heads all over the world could subsequently start using that term to describe a style they feel represents that, but that doesn't make it a valid term just because misinformed fans think it is and use it as such.

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real style, like Kridian, "danceability" isn't what separates it. There's no consensus view in the community on it, and even those who accept it don't see eye-to-eye. In NO other genre is this a big issue (save maybe Liquid Funk/Intelligent for the same reason). To me, that signals that nobody knows what the bloody hell Neurofunk is. You don't see Intelligent fans disputing what's Intelligent and what's Techstep because it's obvious which is which. There's cross-over in all genres, yes, because some breaks and other samples are used in all genres -- but not so much so that it wholly muddles one sound in contrast to another -- e.g. you can still tell the difference between an Intelligent track using an Amen Break and a Techstep track using an Amen Break. When it does that, it's the same sound. Which is why I say Neurofunk = Techstep and Techstep = Neurofunk. Is there danceable Techstep and non-Danceable Techstep? Of course, but that doesn't mean it isn't still Techstep in the end.

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definable difference that isn't arbitrary or subjective depending on who you ask. We know how the term originated, but as I say below: how it originated, and the track used to typify said sound of the paradigm of Neurofunk in Simon Reynold's eyes (the proclaimed originator of the term), Source Direct's "The Cult," sounds NOTHING like what would be called Neurofunk today -- nor does its remix. In fact, it sounds nothing like any Ed Rush & Optical track I've ever heard.

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A style becomes a style (or substyle, in this case) when it clearly breaks away and evolves from another style, having its own unique sound that, from that point on, characterizes it. Case-in-point, Techstep can be CLEARLY defined juxtaposed to, say, Jump-up or Intelligent or even Hardstep. But when

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i definitely grant you that the article is not neutral and is way too long and contains a lot of irrelevant personal information that is worded in a way that is intended to make Bloom appear in the best possible light. The page as written needs to be revised, mostly through deletion. i wrote to him

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The problem of course is the very long and narrow TOC, which you know. It was like that before I put the contents up the side. Then I figured out a way to get them up on that side. I rather liked it because you could just click on the side bar. It only worked because the contents are so narrow. But

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Hi Mostly Zen. Your obviously the kind of person we are looking for! Welcome. On a personal note if you want a voluntary clinical placement over the summer where you can spend all day building the clinical psychology section on the psychology wiki and talking to us about clinical issues and the job

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thanks for attempting to talks some sense into Kridian over at the Neurofunk article. I dont think it will be possible though, and the article has evolved to the point of being almost unreadable. If you look over at the discussion page, you will see that Kridian has spent a lot of time highlighting

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As you correctly pointed out on the Neurofunk discussion page, citing the definition of "funk," this was the main crux of my argument against 84.44/Kridian all along. Because there are so many "funk" elements incorporated into Drum & Bass as a whole -- spanning a plethora of subgenres -- to say

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Well, I'm back... sorry for my tardiness, but university and studies take priority over online bickering on Knowledge. In any event, since I definitely agree with some of your points, I'll address you first as opposed to Kridian who I can see has been hard at work continuing to make the article his

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I was just looking through my talk page and saw that you had left me a comment about adding the movie poster. I looked over the article and it appears all that it needs is a cast section and one more section of information (ex: box office, reception, soundtrack, sequel, etc.) for it to reach start

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Thanks for approaching me--after reviewing the TBI page there is definately some stuff I can add--it doesn't really discuss aptosis, or the frayed rope theory (why TBI predisposes one for problems later in life when the neuronal reserve is needed) or Ralph Reitans recovery curves which pretty much

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It tells you that it really doesn't have any recognizable traits that truly distinguish it from Techstep on the level that other separate, valid subgenres of DnB do (Jump, Jungle, Intelligent) other than "danceability," and to me that isn't enough. Plus, to some people who feel that Neurofunk is a

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The problem at hand in this fight lies in the separation of two styles purportedly different, when they really aren't. The only true difference is one (Techstep) existed long before the other style (if you consider it that, which I really don't) and the twain essentially have no real discernible,

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This is where the line begins to blur and where new heads who fancy the term, or new-age producers who want to fall into a niche that separates them from "Techstep" start using it just to use it. On that note, I'll address what you said about people on DOA using the term. Well, yeah, some do...

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own in my absence. (Something that will soon change, as I've been rewriting the entirety of the article every weekend for the past month from a Knowledge-accepted NPOV standpoint, which will subsequently be incorporated under a subcategory of the Techstep article.)

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it comes to Techstep versus proclaimed "Neurofunk," this is where this blurry veil of obfuscation starts to enshroud the argument and definitions become solely subjective. What does that tell you?

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