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For sure, you definitely have a good handle on how to edit. Admittedly, recent pop culture topics can be some of the trickiest articles to write about, since they're new, and it's tough to get high quality sources. Ideally you'd get a music journal analyzing the album, experts in the field discussing
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Yea this is a lot better here! Just one small thing - " she said that since amapiano songs were like eight to ten-minutes long, she wanted a three-minutes normal format of a pop song or an R&B song." - this part should either be a quote (the "like eight to ten-minutes long" feels like a quote),
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is not what they prefer around here. Even me, I'm just interested in her success because literally no one in South Africa has ever achieved this much success, I've never listened to her music (I only like "Truth or Dare"). Back to the article, I'm not in a rush to get it to FA, just that I've been
612:"Tyla announced Tyla's release via social media on 30 November 2023." - two things. I'd avoid saying Tyla twice within three words, but more importantly, the album wouldn't be released for a few more months after this date. So maybe something like "announced the upcoming release date" or something?
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is one source that said the injury was due to twerking. I don't know if it's reliable, but it's something to keep in mind for when you do take the article to FAC, figuring out the injury, and whether or not it was a stunt due to the sales. As for those other artists, they have been around a lot
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I still think you should try and find some more balanced criticism. Parts of the reception feel like it's written by a fan. Interestingly, since you asked me to review the article, I've noticed (anecdotally) people bashing the album, including a friend of mine I work out with (who can't stand
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I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "smooth melody". This might be a time when a quote is better to describe it, rather than possibly introducing bias into the writing. For example, a melisma is a musical term, but "belted her face off" is a bit more objective. ♫
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Europeans and she has been performing all along but she doesn't say anything about the tour. That's one of the reasons I held back on updating the
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I didn't know Tyla wasn't "big", but then, I only learned of her through you asking me to review the article. Don't cite Reddit, but hopefully you can find some other sources for more balanced coverage. As for the injury,
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This main space page was protected and there was a previous AFD on an article on this subject. There has been a lot of sockpuppetry regarding this article in the past and present and the sources are pretty iffy (see
259:"The Tyla Tour was announced, some dates of which were cancelled due to injuries." - it appears that most of the dates were canceled? The article for Tyla Tour only indicates one show on the tour that she performed.
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