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across their multi-million dollar trans-national organisation. All this might be their business to work through etc, however TNH is not long for this world, it is said, certainly as a functional head of the order. He is frail. What happens then? There is much discussion. As I saw it, there are such deep rifts that it is possible the empire will split. Str Chang Kong - his alleged successor - doesn't have anywhere near the loyalty that TNH has and is not seen effectively as the Buddha in the way that he is. These are the deep problems I refer to, which I think will reach a head in the next few years. Only a problem, I suppose, if the goal is continuity of a united order and TNH's work in VN, US, France and other centres in Europe.
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organisational governance. The monasteries are riven with internecine rivalry, power play and open prejudice. Three months, of course, is a very little time to get to know any organisation, I only saw a certain side of things, and I don't claim what I experienced was fact or offer a simple analysis for a complex situation. But to me there were clearly deep problems - deeper than I had previously observed in extended stays at other (non TNH) monasteries - a lot of unaddressed anger from the nuns, the retreatants and the highter echelons; a lot of unacknowledged mental health issues top to bottom being swept under the rug and medicated with "deeper practice".
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to a greater number of people. There is no other information on the
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to their own work, and it's not allowed to post original research. All that aside, my point is that it's far better to contribute to the article rather than adding to the collection of links - if you have concise, scientifically informed information about mindfulness, then it will be no problem for you to add to the article and cite your sources. I hope you understand, and I hope you contribute content of the article. Thanks,
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control. The fact is that I added an external link that added value to the page and you deleted it. You can justify that any way you like, I don't have time to bicker with you. It looks like this is not the first time you've claimed a page and bent it to your will, so you can go right on doing that and hopefully it will add some kind of meaning to your life. Just don't pretend you're helping anything else.
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meant "venerable" or that it would be an equivalent to "reverend" or that kind of thing. The feeling was that using religious designations is not NPOV. I've seen publishers use "Hanh" as a last name, but that is inaccurate. I'm not sure what the answer is since the only thing that will look right and be understandable is "Nhat Hanh". "Thich, Nhat" would, however, be accurate.
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The place to discuss. I like the idea of being bold, but am more of a "Be Mild" kind of person. On the other hand, I have been known to give others some degree of heartburn. I do strive to reach consensus but don't apologize for my opinions - and why should anyone? We all have them, afterall, I don't
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What a brilliant idea! Why I don't I just begin spending my time the way that you want me to spend it? Wonderful. Look, it doesn't really make any difference to me if you want to be the mindfulness nazi, you can go right ahead and exert control over whatever little thing you can find for yourself to
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You're to be forgiven (sorry, couldn't resist) for being confused. Vietnamese names are actually, last name, first name, middle name. "Thich" is a
Buddhist monk/nun's last name. "Nhat Hanh" is his first and middle name. The discussion got rousing a while back because of a misperception that "Thich"
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Knowledge guidelines and standards. This isn't about my bias or desire to control this article, it's about Knowledge rules. It is highly discouraged for people to link
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I agree, there are too many links. Most of them add nothing relevant. "Watchfulness, Prayer and
Confession"? "THE NEPTIC AND HESYCHASTIC CHARACTER OF ORTHODOX ATHONITE MONASTICISM "? Totally irrelevant. The only reason I didn't remove them was because they've been there so long I figured somehow
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My goodness - how mindful of you. Is this an example of the results you've gotten with your class? Perhaps some further contemplation about your issue with rules would be in order. If you look just a wee bit closer, you'll find that I've hardly done any work on the mindfulness page at all, so
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I have a photograph of three VN military chaplains who were in the US to attend the Army
Chaplain School at Ft. Hamilton, NY, in 1967. I believe that Thích Nhất Hạnh is one of the three. How can I send you a jpg of the photo? Walter Sandell waltsand@hotmail.com
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sticking with the rules is hardly trying to bend others to my will - but, hey, if it's worked, then maybe it's my new superpower.
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