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Pakistan’s leaders were Shias, including one the country’s first governor-generals, three of its first prime ministers, two of its military leaders (Generals Iskandar Mirza and Yahya Khan), and many other of its leading public officials, landowners, industrialists, artists, and intellectuals. Two later prime ministers, the ill-fated Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto and his Radcliffe-educated, currently exiled daughter, Benazir Bhutto, were also Shia. Feeling the wind shift in the 1990s, Benazir styled herself a Sunni, but her Iranian mother, her husband from a big Shia landowning family, and her father’s name, the name of Ali’s twin-bladed sword, make her Shia roots quite visible. In a way, Benazir’s self-reinvention as a Sunni tells the tale of how secular nationalism’s once solid-seeming promise has given way like a rotten plank beneath the feet of contemporary Pakistan’s beleaguered Shia minority.
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Naraay-e-Haideri many times,no sunni does this.Her own husband is a Strong Shia landowner of
Nawabshah. Washington post is not at all a reliable source,and by the way that article is a part of a book written and published by VALI NASIR he is well renowned Pakistani writer and no one can be more authentic then him and after all he has published and entire book about it how could it be a lie!!So you kindly stop doing this re-editing.Otherwise i will also complain to the Knowledge (XXG) Admin that you too should be block from editing because you are senselessly editing my edits!stop it!!It seems you hate Shia's alot and dont want face the actual reality!!Stop it now,stop this hate!
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a million people dance and then cry. His oratory manipulated public emotion as the best of Shia preachers could, and his call for social justice resonated with Shia values. His party’s flag conveniently displayed the colors of Shiism: black, red, and green. Although he never openly flaunted his Shia background, he commanded the loyalty of
Pakistan’s Shia multitudes, around a fifth of the population. What he lacked in the area of regular religious observance he made up for with his zeal for Sufi saints and shrines, especially that of Lal Shahbaz Qalandar, the widely popular Sufi saint of Shia extraction whose tomb is a major shrine in southern Pakistan.
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one can deny the fact,but it just you people who think it shouldn't be written there!!Well i believe it should be!!After all there is nothing non-netural in it,it just because you dont believe that they are Shia's so it doesnt mean they are'nt,so i would agian request you not to present me with your your own baseless idea of the artical being netural.As far as you know i would like to inform you that we have family terms with Yousaf Raza Gilani and we know that he is a strong Shia,his wife and daughter often visits our
Grandmom's home in Multan during the Muharram!!so please stop it!!As far it about Benazir i dont need to prove that she was a Shi'a!!
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Pakistan was not of the irenic Sufi kind, moreover, but of a strident and intolerant brand. Bhutto’s Shia-supported mix of secularism and populism—sullied by corruption and his ruthless authoritarianism—fell to a military coup led by pious Sunni generals under the influence of hard-eyed Sunni fundamentalists. In April 1979, the state hanged Bhutto on questionable murder charges. A Sunni general, Muhammad Zia ul-Haq, strongly backed by Sunni fundamentalist parties, personally ordered that the death sentence be carried out, even after Pakistan’s highest court recommended commutation to life imprisonment.
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Dravadian for Brahui speaking Balochs. Brahui is a language spoken only by Baloch people and Brahui is not a race as presumed by some people or anti Baloch pakistanis.Video links are important to show what BLA is, who the are ther actions and so on. And dont
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Dear, Sarmad kindly stop telling that i should be netural or so!!Well you see all the heads of state of
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Thanks for both your messages. I'm sorry I haven't replied sooner but I was hoping to find time to reply in real detail again. What the article now needs is a thorough third-party review. You can get this two ways: either by requesting a peer review or by applying for GA. If you go for GA, much will
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Hussain herself is belonging to Fedual Shia Landowner Family of Jhang.For your Kind info that is a Publicity stunt declareing her a Sunni!!When she arrived in Pakistan she had Ali Madad written on her right hand,see that video yourself and kindly do check her speeches in Which she Chanted
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Thank you for supporting me, Smsarmad. This issue has been contentious, and I did cross out the poll he provided. I did this not because I didn't like the results, but because the poll was worded so as to be a push-poll, which would likely skew the results. The poll I have provided has precedent in
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I am so sorry re the edit to Pervez Musharraf, I must have deleted it by accident without paying much attention (block highlight). My intent was to only remove the Meo Rajput point, as he is a known Syed as per the reference that was there. Please accept my heartfelt apology for this mistake, I am
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the talk page and is neutral as to the outcome. Reasons should not be added at the poll--the voter should come to the poll already informed by the massive amounts of discussion on the issue in the current thread and in archived threads. Thanks again, Smsarmad.
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listen sarmad dont talk like "challanging me". People can give links as sources to give some in depth that what really the issue is. By giving some video links it is not braking any rule. to mr.sarmad do what ever you want to
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How can I or could you please remove the site with the redirection from "Sensible world of soccer" (small letters) to "Sensible World of Soccer" for cosmetic reasons, it's needless anyway!? - Thank you
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who are you, who told me not to edite at wikipedia. you are vandalizing the true information from Baloch Liberation Army page. if you do it again you will be blocked from editing at wikipedia.
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to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you.
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