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consistently and systematically, and although I occasionally fix or improve the odd box I chance upon, it is but rarely that I undertake wider projects, even as small as fixing a single succession chain across a handful of articles. Various obligations have come to impose upon my time and I have been absent from SBS for years, something caused in part by a series of initiatives and proposals frustrated mostly by inactivity and low participation. Perhaps my absence has contributed further to this withering of our erstwhile active, if small community, but the general trend is worrisome to say the least. I have little hope that any sustained effort could possibly be mounted to improve conditions in this area. I have given up.
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Which is why it has taken me so long to reply to your message: I didn't quite know how to say that I cannot be of any material assistance to you. I considered doing some research, but the appetite has left me and, in any case, I am too busy writing an article to take time off—my first article,
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