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880:. More than once I stated that even though I diametrically disagreed with Irpen, at least he sourced his opinions and I had to respect him for that. Over time, however, his defense of the "Russian position" and insistence on a more positive view of the Soviet legacy shifted. Beyond increasing allegations of tendentious editing and cherry-picking sources, he pushed amelioration of Soviet acts by milquetoasting titles and content. For example, one could not say the Soviet Union "occupied" the Baltic States, even if a source used that word, because "occupied" was a "judgemental" term. This escalating POV pushing eventually came to a head at 1348:
anti-Estonian in particular diatribe—there's Offliner's deleted Nazi Estonia article in his user space, and who can forget PasswordUsername's "encyclopedic" content that child abuse is "common" in Estonia—all mirror the vitriolic and baseless diatribe of Official Russia. These aforementioned editors are only the latest in a long succession of provocateurs seeking to paint the Baltics and Eastern Europe as epicenters of human depravity debasing the memory of those lost in the great Patriotic War, ungrateful for their liberation from Hitler, and so forth.
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agree with someone, so be it, I don't base agreement with editors on my opinion of them. If I show up in a "timely" fashion, it is because (a) I have a huge watchlist, (b) I regularly look for new articles regarding Soviet, communist, contentions of Eastern Europe anti-Semitism, et al., and (c) check up in general on edits in the Baltic/EE space. Sadly for the conspiracy theorists, I tend to bulk read my personal Email once a day at best, often skipping days—hardly useful in coordinating alleged attacks.
1245:. In the end, the points I've made regarding consensus and arbitration are the key ones. The issue is not who arrives to an article when. The issue is, does it even matter if there is fair and accurate representation of reputable sources regarding a topic in conflict? No it does not, hence the need—as here—to build in assumptions of bad faith throughout the rest of the system. Hence the ease with which another can be accused of bad faith. 617:
WP content control through invective and intimidation, a time to recall with fond reminiscence, at least for Deacon. As both Deacon and Giano have introduced Irpen as evidence, I shall respond. Where past grievances against Baltic and Eastern European editors are concerned, normal WP rules of evidence do no apply; here grievances as evidence mature like a fine wine to relish, never to go stale and grow green mold like bread.
1545:, a coatrack created by Offliner in keeping with his penchant for anti-Estonian topics, including the now deleted Nazi Estonia coatrack in his user space. Offliner's article featured the widely disputed Amnesty International report followed by the Russian "POV", an unattributed article (which when attributed elsewhere had opposing articles on the same site cited), then "Finnish legal sociologist and criminologist 54: 2611:"(Knowledge is not a published source with a history of fact-checking, and the inclusion of this material is against a core policy)" with embedded links included. This is typical of Russavia's filling his arguments with WP:ALPHABETSOUP when a cogent argument in his favor is not available. Again, WP was not being used as a source here, what was inserted was a report of an administrative outcome on Knowledge, 1549:..." This in particular confirmed Offliner's creation as an attack page—Bäckman being the very definition of WP:FRINGE, despite having somehow secured a teaching post. He's a conspiracy theorist who contends that Politkovskaya was assassinated to discredit Putin. Clearly, such a contention would be deleted from an article about Putin, yet Bäckman conveniently served Offliner's defamatory purposes here. 1124:. It is not a place to hold grudges, import personal conflicts, or nurture hatred or fear. Making personal battles out of Knowledge discussions goes directly against our policies and goals. In particular, making list of "opponents" or coordinating actions in order to drive off or punished perceived "adversaries" goes counter to the necessary collegiate atmosphere required to write an encyclopedia. 2103:(od) Sadly, LokiiT, I have been looking after my elderly mother who has had a decline in health and has been in nursing home care for several months now and have not left Brooklyn (that would be U.S., not U.K.) for some time. This attack certainly speaks to your editorial character or lack thereof, particularly as you have not contacted me prior or subsequent to your accusation here. 2747:. There is no "content" dispute here. There is no argument over "truth" here. There are only the facts of occupation with no facts to the contrary. There are many contentions over facts purported to apply to occupation (per Petri Krohn's encyclopedias which wrote during the occupation that Latvia was "part of" the Soviet Union, et al.), but as the Russian Duma made it 612:"The last, before he left, was statistically Knowledge's top content contributor! Irpen joined Ghirlandajo after the case in the long list of productive wikipedians who have been driven off the project. They are volunteers and don't need to put up with this kind of abuse if ArbCom, the only body who could have protected them, refused to and instead victimised them." 3687:, it's more to attack the conservatives and their association with the Latvians, who are being pilloried as Nazi glorifiers, et al., to defame the conservatives. It's political hack writing having nothing to do with any objective assessment of history. Perhaps Paul, you left, because it is precisely the citation of this sort of 1913:, now apparently agreeing with the WP:OR contention. This was clearly not worth pursuing further although I considered the description of Jewish Bolshevism as being accurate, but a topic for another discussion. The article had been on my watchlist for a long time. Evidence? Of nothing and unrelated to anything else here. 1997:, after all. Unfortunately, as here, this leads to the stringing together of completely unrelated events contending they are a "coordinated" attack, meaning, premeditated purpose other than simply responding to an edit and other than simply responding to allegations of stalking being made against me on user talk pages. 2653:
represented in the article. (Note Russavia's contentions along the way that editors had a source in its entirety and were intentionally misrepresenting it.) I should also mention the rape of German (and other Eastern European women) as the Red Army approached Berlin is a topic from which stigma is only now lifting.
1978:"Coordinated provocations?" on my part? What is "coordinated" here? Absolutely nothing. What is a "provocation" here? Absolutely nothing. The message says, in fact, "Either PasswordUsername backs off, or..." if he's uncivil I'll asked for him to be banned. As for calling my post "bait," that's my characterization 3245:
coordination over two years ago—correlation is interesting, but it is not proof of cause and effect. That editors have been like minded enough in the past that conduct with and without a mailing list is indistinguishable by the opposition rather testifies to the negligible net on-Wiki impact of the mailing list.
2996:, please, anyone feel free to indicate how the passage in question does not objectively apply. Defense of the Stalinist/Soviet account of WWII, anyone? More evidence confirming PasswordUsername's, Russavia's et al. pushing the POV that Official Russia is not resurrecting Stalin and his account of history. 4052:
While editors appear to move from camp #3 to camp #1, allegedly become "radicalized" as the result of being "provoked" by camp #2 (per the accusations lodged here), that is not the case. It is only, citing the example of Russavia regarding Dyukov at The Soviet Story, a manifestation of latent POV.
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with the completely inaccurate and highly inflammatory and prejudicial description, courtesy of the admin first receiving the purported evidence—evidence which was hacked, and not leaked through an "act of conscience." I won't even mention the vile and vicious material that has been created, complete
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Actually, Digwuren and Petri both suffered under the initial ban. Petri was (my perception) pushing his POV and Digwuren could have moderated his response. Be that as it may, skipping ahead to the reverence for Irpen, he left because editors didn't put up with his gross mischaracterization of sources
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I'm sorry, this evidence indicts Dojarca and no one else, the result of a train of events starting with Dojarca duping Hiberniantears into believing there was some content dispute where an article had been stable for a considerable length of time. I had already been through multiple admin requests on
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given his position must maintain a zero tolerance policy, which is to be respected but not to be taken as gospel. Baltic Waffen SS parade to commemorate their fight against the Soviets, who invaded and then spent the next year deporting and killing them before the Germans ever arrived. Latvian Waffen
1940:"On 11 June. Vecrumba discusses his post on the secret list. He predicts that either PasswordUsername will back of, or he will take the bait, lose his temper and make incivil remarks. If this happens, Vecrumba will try to get PasswordUsername banned. (20090611-0230- PasswordUsername_ opportunity.eml." 1691:
deleting context for the FIDH urging (Bronze Night) and restoring the WP:UNDUE FIDH content he created; the "Latvian Human Rights Committee" is little more than Ždanoka's political party, apparently the FIDH will take anyone who says they are "human rights" (this has been discussed ad nauseum in many
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4) While it is acceptable to notify other editors of ongoing discussions, messages that are written to influence the outcome rather than to improve the quality of a discussion may be considered disruptive. In particular, messages to fora mostly populated by a biased or partisan audience — especially
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confirm the atmosphere of poison that has been allowed to fester in the EE space for years by indulging so-called "content disputes" based on attacking content on the false premise that opinion based on nothing and opinion based on fact must be equally represented, and to oppose that is, per Dojarca
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jump in, only ones with past involvement should participate so as to have "complete deniability" of following PasswordUsername's edits, as he was often wont to complain to anyone, anywhere. The article was on my watchlist having edited it, I didn't need to "follow" or "provoke" anything. And what is
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more of same; on the talk page I had suggested that either the mention of reluctance and exculpatory remains regarding Rebane, or that Rebane should be removed as inappropriate to a timeline; further, the only other appearance of "allegations" in the timeline are those against Jews who then suffered
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And what are the harsh realities of this environment? There is no sharing of news stories, discussion of sources, or any other discourse without editors showing up to harass. Then there is the new phenomenon of editors complaining about "stonewalling" Baltic/EE editors to dupe admins into supporting
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If there is any specific edit of mine anyone would like to discuss in an atmosphere of good faith—that is, discuss fair and accurate representation of reputable sources (sources acknowledged as reputable by scholarly sources)—they are welcome to do so on my talk. My edits are solely my opinion. If I
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Agnostic consensus serves as the model for edit-warring on article content; those who edit war using this model cannot be countered based on their "editorial" contentions. This promotes content control through attacks on editors, as whether or not the content being proposed, created, or deleted is a
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What's the real evidence? If you want to f**k up Knowledge and foist your unsubstantiated and unsupported POV position on your editorial opposition, find an admin to do your dirty work. I don't impune Hiberniantears' motives. This entire chain of events simply shows what happens when a well-meaning
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This is nothing but Viriditas believing his own abjectly abysmal article ownership is somehow vindicated. I'd present evidence of Viriditas accusing other individuals of "conspiring," but I've already taken enough space. I bulk read my Email, the mailing list had ZERO involvement in my appearing on
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with reference to freedoms in Russia), as are pushed Hughes' opinion piece on Estonian ethnocracy as finding of fact by the UN, Bäckman's fringe polemics as fact, etc., as already covered elsewhere. As for editing in line with the "official Estonian position" as if that were somehow the same as his
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I was trying to determine when the conflict with Biophys started, as before the problems over Abkhazia and South Ossetia, Russavia was by all counts a productive and constructive editor often doing the kind of thankless drudge work which few volunteer to do but which makes WP usable for the rest of
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Yet in the Baltic and Eastern European sphere, sources are apparently immaterial. Here, "nationalist" is not a term denoting patriotism or love and interest in one's heritage and history, it is a term of derision. Patriotism itself is scorned as an intellectually debased POV affliction. Sources are
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3) Processes internal to the functioning of the Knowledge project also rely on consensus. Given the more decisive nature of the discussions, and the greater likelihood of harm, it is important that discussion leading to a decision be as representative as possible. In particular, discussion on the
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It was, in fact, Irpen and Ghirlandajo who drove off their opposition: Irpen vociferously denouncing any challenge to his representation of sources as a personal attack; and any contradiction to such receiving warning from Ghirlandajo that, if one pressed the issue, one "will not like the results."
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The evidence and statements and defamation presented in these proceedings which purport to indict myself and others for all Wiki-collusion crimes imaginable—I won't belabor these—consist mostly of pontificating diatribe, rehash of alleged historical iniquities, and putting Bandags on stale evidence
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been paid to push Russian interests on WP, so this is more than neutral. Mukadderat deletes based on the specific phrase "web brigade" not having been used (though clearly applicable). There is some going back and forth on WP as a reliable source, clearly not applicable as what is written about is
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Apparently one cannot observe any patterns of group behavior on the part of editors who can be objectively taken to support the position of Official Russia regarding the Baltics and Eastern Europe. I won't be providing endless diffs of said pushing and protection of POV, but rest assured, they are
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This supposes that editors do not track changes of interest in their sphere of interest and do not check what editors who share their position on one issue might contribute elsewhere on WP. My own involvement on Human Rights in the United States is a classic example, where I unknowingly waded into
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leave me questioning our priorities. This is not a reflection on Jehochman, I've read his off-Wiki interview regarding the lack of due process on Knowledge—it's thoughtful and informative. This is a reflection on the WP environment that has been allowed to fester, albeit through good intentions on
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For myself, those invective-laced conversations renewed my faith in WP because they proved that editors can move forward even from the point of violent disagreement when they know both are acting in good faith, both are bringing reputable sources to the table, and both are willing to honestly and
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regarding Dojarca's gross micharacterization. His concluding request: "So I request the ArbCom to clarify whether these sources are acceptable in Knowledge and if yes, issue remedies against removal of such sources." is a request to introduce Soviet and other sources without regard to their being
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I personally believe that based on Dojarca's success, Offliner subsequently similarly lobbied Jehochman into filing an arbitration request which Offliner should have opened to make the filing party clear. Yet an additional sad affair. An one wonders why editors would seek a haven of good faith to
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as its fundamental editorial process. Consensus develops from agreement of the parties involved. To ensure transparency, consensus cannot be formed except on Knowledge discussion pages. "Off-wiki" discussions, such as those taking place on other websites, on web forums or on IRC, are not taken
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After sleeping on it, I am severely disturbed by your contention I compared Giano to Nazi Germany. You obviously missed the point I was making. I am sorry you felt it necessary to take administrative umbrage in the middle of my evidence based on your interpreting my "rhetoric" as meaning anything
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On the evidence presented, it again assumes anyone participating would not have or would have participated differently. The more the mailing lists' antagonists—quite the compendium gathered here, crawling out of the woodwork—insist the mailing list and off-wiki coordination has been going on for
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undeleting PasswordUsername's deletion of alleged "anti-Semitic" content. Objectively, the term had to originate somewhere. It is well documented in western sources that in Poland between the wars, for example, imprisoned Jewish communists were the chief proselytizers. To note such things is not
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And so I joined a mailing list for a respite from the relentless hounding: to be able to have such discourse in peace, to be able to discuss controversial topics, and to otherwise work together toward organizing articles and content in the Baltic/EE space, including addressing historical Eastern
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8) When a group of editors consistently and repeatedly participate in the same discussions to support the same point of view — especially when many or most of the members of that group had little or no prior participation in the underlying dispute — it is reasonable to presume that they could be
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I would only note that one should not assume that off-Wiki communication materially affected how editors would have acted, regardless. As I have stated, I batch read mail and 99% of the time found items of "interest" myself before reading any note about them. Petri Krohn wondered about off-Wiki
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as not applying to the Holocaust in Eastern Europe, as if Jews were not citizens of their respective countries, and expanded in a WP:OR manner which would even include Latvian president Karlis Ulmanis urging Latvians not to go out and get themselves slaughtered opposing the Soviet invasion as a
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presents allegations as findings of fact (Amnesty International) and more allegations as fact (Hughes in Development and Transition). My edit simply clarifies the Amnesty International report (which has been widely denounced as not in touch with reality) and that the D&T piece is merely one
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While I am not mentioned here, I do have to observe that this neatly sums up the issue of reading someone else's private correspondence. If I had opined it would be simpler to take out a contract on Russavia, I know people, then I would be accused of plotting bodily harm. And had I made such a
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2) The determination of proper consensus is vulnerable to unrepresentative representation of the community. Because of the generally limited number of editors likely to participate in any given discussion, an influx of biased or partisan editors is likely to generate an improper illusion of a
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As for editor John Carter, he states, completely uninvolved (at Dojarca's cited diff): "'The title itself, "Occupation of the Baltic states", is a bit prejudicial. Granted, it reflects the opinion of a lot of groups, but there still are a few others, like the old Soviets and the Russians, who
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More to the real point. Pick "Anti-Lesbian" as a moniker and we would be hearing a cacophony of screeching indignant wailings over gay-bashing. "Anti-Nationalist"? and all we hear... wait... is that a cricket chirping?... no, alas, just my chair creaking. This double standard sanctioning open
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In this particular instance, Russavia means Oleg Vishlyov, whose account of Soviet activities in WWII (including invasion and subjugation of the Baltics) is that it was all in self-defense. Vishlyov has also been described in reputable scholarship as someone who works "more on suggestion than
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Russavia's conduct was their choice. Russavia's behavior subsequent to their topic ban, which Ellol conveniently fails to mention, is the most heinous vitriol I have yet witnessed on WP, and that's saying a lot, as I have been personally accused of killing Transnistrian children with my black
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which attempts to legislate the "truth" here. None of Official Russia's contentions regarding "not occupied" are verifiable in law, not a single one. What is "verifiable" is only the rhetoric of "not occupied"—rhetoric which Russavia wishes to present as fact, witness his threats over Dyukov
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Feel free to read the extensive talk page for the article, there's nothing to hide here. My edits at this article were based on Google searches of scholarly material. As some were snippets, I searched before and after the text in question to construct the full narrative, which I subsequently
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9) While discussion of Knowledge and editing in channels outside of Knowledge itself (such as IRC, mailing lists, or web forums) is unavoidable and generally appropriate, using external channels for coordination of activities that, on-wiki, would be inappropriate is also improper. That such
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Discussion at talk quickly concluded in PasswordUsername's favor? Not really. The only uninvolved comment was that "collaboration" did not apply as Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union were not enemies at the time, based on "collaboration" NOT meaning "working together" in general. I stand by
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As for my personal involvement with Russavia in any edits, I should state up-front that my filing of an AN/I regarding his "Propagandic Latvian Republic..." (see above diff) was my own decision unprompted by any on- or off-Wiki discussion. That said, for everyone's sanity, I'll only address
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A review of the evidence shows a mix of concerned WP citizens as well as a preponderance of those who have sought to push "versions" of history upon the Baltics and Eastern Europe which are not based on reputable sources—whose diffs indicate a desire to vindicate the edit-warring campaigns
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The diatribes lacing the Evidence and discussions thereof testify to the atmosphere of poison that has pervaded the Baltic and Eastern European article space for years. Russavia's (more recent, not earlier years), Anti-Nationalist's née PasswordUsername's and Offliner's provocations, and
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This is not about cooperation off-Wiki. This is about an opportunity created by one "side" illegally hacking the accounts of their "opposition", finding something they could misconstrue as a vile cabal assembled for the sole purpose of an attack upon themselves, and thus launch their own
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There have always been a formal or informal cabals representing Russian interests. The Irpen/Ghirlandajo tag team may be inactive, but the POVs and tactics remain the same. Notably, POV-pushing has become more aggressive coinciding with Medvedev's creation of the historical truth
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Did specific instances of on-Wiki activity get discussed? Inevitably. Organized to wage conflict? No, organized primarily to stay off the WP conflict radar screen. So far these proceedings have served as little more than fodder for witch hunting by those with an axe to grind, as
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Diffs, please, I'm not responding to open-ended slander. And feel free to read my interview, cited earlier, for whom I consider a "Stalinist." If you believe that definition slanders anyone, do let me know. If you have evidence, present it. Don't just pile on for the fun of it.
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Russavia's singling me out for denunciation as someone who is hell-bent on their personal "truth" and not on verifiable facts proves conclusively beyond any doubts that it is Russavia who is on a mission fashioning WP into a platform sanctioning the position of Official Russia:
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Support: Evidence obtained through unethical or illegal means reflects on those obtaining and using such evidence to their purposes. Use of such evidence rewards unethical or illegal conduct, and given the means by which it was acquired, is likely to be for unethical or illegal
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I have already commented on Deacon's bemoaning Irpen's and Ghirlandajo's departure: Irpen = blatant misrepresentation of sources, Ghirlandajo = the "enforcer" behind every characterization by Irpen of any misrepresentation on Irpen's part being a "personal attack." Regarding
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denigration of anyone labeled as a "nationalist," Baltic and Eastern European in particular, is patently offensive. If I have developed a wagon-circling mentality, don't blame me, it's the product of years of abuse on the part of an endless procession of belligerent editors.
2925:, to me, indicating an external assault. I would request that speculative and prejudicial contentions (elsewhere) along the lines of the archive being revealed through an "attack of conscience" as the "simplest" explanation for the origin of the evidence be refrained from. 470:) POV Pushing: Most recently, the campaign to circle wagons around Russavia to save him from his own conduct and to invite past perpetrators of similar poor conduct to return in apparent anticipation of the demise of their opposition as the outcome of these proceedings 2517:? Russavia's evidence chains together and misrepresents two separate discussions in a blatant misdirection to accuse myself and Digwuren. Lastly, Russavia's accusation I/we routinely discredit all Russian sources is baseless rhetoric, considering I've used the 3485:
Not to mention that anyone and everyone who has ever failed to push their POV, being opposed by someone on the mailing list, has come out for the feeding frenzy, including claiming their lack of success years ago is conclusive proof the list has existed for
2669:" I felt, per my comment, it was little more than Anonimu's attempt to remove "Communist" from the title. Again, found first on WP not in my Email as I recall. The same editors would have all showed up and all voted the same way on both sides of the aisle. 394:
I do not yet have the alleged archive to comment on and have asked for an extension based on PL priorities, but I do feel obligated to put a stake in the ground as a good-faith gesture of intent to present evidence regarding that as well when it does come
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And so, Russavia, once and for all, please produce the factual basis for the declaration of the Russian Duma regarding Latvia "joining" the USSR, from whence all "not occupied" (legally) flows. You have placed the ball squarely in your court by insisting
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Please feel free to contact me regarding the substance of any past edit, including my (nearly all responses to) evidence here. Nor is there demonstrably any content edit on the part of anyone part of the mailing list which does not stand up to scrutiny.
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As time permits, I reserve the right to return to comment on edits/articles where I was not directly involved, as quite a number of uninvolved editors have jumped on the bandwagon in the accusation department contending being wronged in some fashion.
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This assumes editors would have acted otherwise. The entire discussion of what an encyclopedia article regarding those topics should covered was a travesty, all editors were interested was removing Communist+Genocide in the title. My suggestion that
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Sandstein is completely not involved in this. If our purpose here is to discern the intent of editors and admins regarding their vision for WP, then, regarding the wailing and gnashing of teeth over Russavia's bans (and the proceedings here):
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denounced based merely on the surnames of authors. Here, "NPOV" is demanding that Soviet propaganda be given equal time to reputable scholarship—any such scholarship counter to the Soviet "version" of history labeled as just another "POV.
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Had I kept my copy, I would have shared it with Offliner. I can only assume it's intentional that Russavia left this part out of his evidence. Not only did Offliner's harassing increase with the release of the list (my talk et al.), but
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The proceedings here are based on the meme that Baltic/EE "nationalist" editors have been driving off reputable contributors for years, EEML is the inevitable/ predictable/ expected escalation by the "nationalists" to the next level.
3872:. Most of all, I experienced and learned to value an environment where an editor could tell someone else to f**k off and then both return to the table to continue to discuss the most contentious or controversial topics in good faith. 3185:
There are times I strenuously disagree with Paul on interpretation but I have always had the utmost admiration for his knowledge and command of reputable sources. I regret this blatant misrepresentation regarding an editor I respect.
891:; no, Davies and Wheatcroft praised his work particularly in the area of personal testimony; that D&W studiously avoided any discussions of intent regarding the Holodomor was their conscious decision in the creation of their work. 3441:
As for Vlad's diatribe largely focused on attacking Biophys, that is to be taken with (many) similar grains of salt regarding Vlad's expert testimony sprinkled with the ever present and entertaining derogatory rhetorical questions.
1129:"Metrics drive behavior." When consensus requires no demonstrable basis, when arbitration cares only about conduct, what other result would we expect. BTW, I hold no grudge against any editor, but it is clear there are those who do. 702:. But under threats and incivility, this becomes "let's not stir the waters." I am dismayed that a calming spot of tea is preferable to the conflict Jehochman predicts to result from standing for integrity. Questions such as these: 4074:
For completeness, I should note there are internecine conflicts regarding history in camp #2, however, those tend to be mediated successfully by non-aligned members of that camp. I hope the uninvolved watching in find this useful.
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making an edit only for the purpose of provocation; all of this evidence makes the same speculation of intent to provoke as opposed to believing the content being added or deleted was being done for good reason (this brought on by
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P.S. Reverting an edit which clearly mischaracterizes a recounting of content as someone's personal opinion is hardly "exact same edit." You push a POV, you get reverted, that's how it works. VЄСRUМВА ♪ 17:36, 13 September 2009
2429:. No, according to Dyukov's archival evidence, they were taken away in coaches, well fed, and with medical care. Russian state media trucks Dyukov out whenever they need to do Baltic bashing on their 24x7 English "news" channel. 1384:
contentions that it is self-evident this was organized for the sole purpose of waging edit wars on WP, and that every instance of editors in said circle agreeing (against "me"/against "them") is the product of their collusion;
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Viriditas' ownership issues and was denounced as a single purpose account by Hiberniantears. The issue had nothing to do with the editorial veracity—or not—of my position. The issue was solely that—per the points above—that:
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about the Australian public not knowing her Nazi affiliations. Looveer was a highly decorated, highly honored individual. This sort of McCarthyist type slander by innuendo is grossly offensive and has no place on Knowledge.
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When I placed an "anti-Stalin" userbox on my page stating: "This user refutes post-Soviet Stalinist propaganda" (later adding " by rigorous application of fact" for clarity) I was attacked for my "inflammatory" comments by
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should simply cover what reputable sources discuss as "communist genocide" was completely ignored in the battle to first delete, then rename, the article. This evidence is nothing but pushing content by attacking editors.
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If WP were a bank and reputable content gold, I can only observe that it's a "conspiracy" only if you're discussing how to break in and remove the gold, not if you're looking to keep the gold in the vault and add to it.
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caught my eye as I've done a fair amount of research regarding the topic as the result of constant accusations that the Baltic states regularly violate human rights, don't have legislation protecting human rights, etc.
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editing in line with the "Official Russian position," the Estonian position is one which is generally shared by others. It is not a uniquely Estonian position, whereas the Official Russian position largely is (unique).
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As I had based my edit on an extensive book review of D&W which specifically discussed the Stalin passage, but did not have the source itself, I could not dispute him. $ 140 later to buy the text, and there it was,
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to support his POV and his technique to frame any disagreement with his content as a personal attack. As for Dojarca "abandoning" (wasn't there a ban in there somewhere?), I'll only note how Dojarca chose to return,
1905:(per article content) as "WP:OR (first edit, cited)" with some after-cleanup. This was (my perception) nothing but a "I don't like it, I'll use WP:ALPHABETSOUP to delete it" on the part of PasswordUsername, which 2933:
First of all, I thank PasswordUsername for his new moniker, "Anti-Nationalist", confirming himself as a WP:SPA single purpose account to attack anyone he deems to be a "nationalist." Or have I missed something?
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Thatcher has not mentioned me specifically, so I am not going to go through all their evidence to uncover if it applies to me. I would note, however, one of the objects of Thatcher's accusations of "duplicity":
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Sadly, PasswordUsername wasn't any more disparaging than usual in subsequent conduct. Check my record for how many arbitration requests I have filed and check Offliner's (et al.) record. And if PasswordUsername
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from a consensus which would have manifested sans EEML is the personal synthesis of those who accept the meme that off-Wiki communication is evil and the only reason for off-Wiki communication is to hide evil.
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Having had some more time to consider things, I am forced to observe the following, which is likely to mistaken for (by the uninvolved) and to misconstrued as (by the opposition) for recalcitrance on my part:
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the unaffiliated camp which leans toward (from my perspective) Stalin et al. as more "reactive" and less "plotting" particularly regarding WWII, and which sticks to reputable sources and those which can be
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PasswordUsername's presentation of this as "evidence" is nothing but misconstruting my mention of the proper means of dealing with one-sided content pushing misrepresenting sources as somehow being criminal.
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the basis of my editorial position was in fact immaterial, the only thing that mattered to the warring editor Viriditas and to admins was (a) timing and (b) that I happened to agree with someone other than
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I subsequently engaged there on several items, including the map and presentation thereof, a potential montage, et al. A sprited discussion was had including editors Mosedschurte, Paul Siebert, and others.
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If all else fails and consensus is not achieved, move for a RfC for outside comment (at least that's how it should work, though it usually becomes just a soapbox for the current participants in the debate)
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note, no diff in any accusation actually discusses the merit of any edit, as this would highlight that all these editing spats were started by the opposition to provoke edit wars with the editors they now
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All LokiiT had to do was check my user page for where I'm located. It's not worth my time to get on a plane and go somewhere else to revert an edit. His insistence at the possibility required no prodding.
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I remember Russavia's edits when I first met him on Knowledge, and his edits of today. He was clearly, and blatantly provoked. Either that, or he was abducted by aliens, schooled in bashing, and returned
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more of the same, re: Rebane held until 1947 and no evidence found; removing this supports that the allegations are true and that there is no exculpatory evidence to the contrary (note my edit comment)
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And why is it that Giano is so feared? That his overt and sneering thuggery is treated with kid gloves? Perhaps I should ask who else he has threatened (as per the clear example provided above) with
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Vlad's approach is typical: cite "expert" sources in support your position, contending they apply when they don't (and here's the secret—one has to know the subject just as well to know the sources
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Actually, I won't indulge you to compare me to Chamberlain, nor I will let you compare Giano to Nazi Germany. May I politely ask you to refactor the above. This page is for evidence, not rhetoric.
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apply), and rest your case hoping no one will call you on your convincing, but utter, fabrication. This is nothing but implied reputablity of editorial position by association with a good source.
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material is that when discourse is conducted on Wiki discussion pages, it is regarding fair and accurate representation of reputable sources, not of personal opinions or political pronouncements.
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I state that the proper approach is to state the opposing view and open for discussion and argue just as firmly for the opposing position based on sources and in as much detail as necessary, and
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While I sympathize with Thatcher's recently expressed frustration elsewhere, I should mention that I consider Thatcher a victim of poisoning, not a purveyor. I am glad to discuss this further.
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Russavia's evidence where it directly pertains to me. If there is evidence of slanting or bad faith or intentional omission in Russavia's case against me, you can be certain of it elsewhere.
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regarding PasswordUsername's new blatant attack-moniker "Anti-Nationalist," which continues to be indulged by everyone here—what a load of two-faced hypocritical lecturing that make this all
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comment on-Wiki, I would have been summarily banned for personal threats. One cannot equate personal correspondence with "what one will/would do" on-Wiki. This was not a serious discussion.
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Hacking is not an extraordinary claim. Indeed, "hacking" is the most logical claim as it is the one that fits the only logical representations of events surrounding the Russavia meltdown on
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self-righteous indignation-filled counterattack to once and for all wipe out any editor that stood for fair and accurate representation of reputable sources, i.e., dared stand in their way.
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That Irpen left is not because he was "run off." Irpen left because editors would not stand for his increasingly blatant misrepresentation of sources to suit his increasingly strident POV.
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Russavia cites in his evidence. As for Russavia crying "I can't read Estonian"... "they could have helped me...", I ask you, how much Estonian do you have to be able to read to understand
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admin acts in a content dispute they know nothing about based on taking utterly bad faith accusations of "stonewalling" at face value (unwittingly aided by other individuals judging what
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busy making the case that the Baltic states were not occupied using his personal arguments and (multi-degreed!) knowledge of international law, doing everything he could to argue for his
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the conduct above. I don't believe Sandstein cares much about the storm or the personalities involved. For that detachment, I commend Sandstein. If anyone quotes this evidence to mean "
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coordinating their actions. Evaluation of consensus in particularly divisive or controversial cases need to carefully weigh the possibility and avoid ascribing too much weight to the
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as a reliable source to plant the same anti-Estonian charges in yet another article. Apparently Offliner thinks it's open season now. His eagerness in jumping the gun speaks volumes.
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The Soviet/Russian disagreement was already noted in the article. Said disagreement (based on no reputable supporting evidence) does not change the circumstances of occupation, per
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the protection of history against revisionism claiming occupation by the historical truth commission and the proposed criminalization (up to 5 years in jail) for contending the same
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the occupation of the Baltic states, the entire fiasco was a product of Dojarca's bad faith and neither I nor other editors were going to go through an arbitration request again.
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On calling for "team game play" on the evidence (same conditions), this is misquoting and misrepresenting. My only comment is that I hope that "influence group" for Nochnoy Dozor
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No, one of the aims of editors is to prevent attack content, led by Offliner with Anti-Nationalist's/PasswordUsername's often and able assistance, particularly regarding Estonia.
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Lastly, my experience in these things has been that people accuse editors of things they do themselves. Oops! Appears to be the case. VЄСRUМВА ♪ 17:17, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
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One is not responsible for one's conduct. Under the guise of being "provoked," even the most heinous conduct is to be excused—if the editor is on your side (pro-Official Russia).
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incidents around allegations regarding individuals or memorials to them, when there have been no findings of evidence supporting allegations (examined while said individual was
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of intent reflect on an atmosphere of poison—both those who have succumbed to it and those spreading it—which, except for the very real poison, has nothing to do with reality.
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This is the admin to whom the purported archive was released to. Can you say this was all a "set up"? This is not the first edit Alex has done in support of Offliner. I find:
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on my watchlist and, as mentioned, I check WP far more often than Email), accusations of edit-warring collusion would immediately surface. This is not an attack, is an act of
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I can respond to all the rest of Offliner's diffs regarding my conduct, but I believe I've spent enough time here for now. I don't expect the results to improve for Offliner.
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Apparently now I've harassed LokiiT. No, I responded to LokiiT's accusation after his going on at length. My full post, my first (and with P.S.) only response to LokiiT, per
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sets the narrative straight. An blatant attempt to portray sources as confirming Aviksoo's willing participation in events festooned with Nazi symbols, a clear violation of
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I regret to note that he is now supporting the same kind of Estonian attack content as Offliner and PasswordUsername, representing opinion pieces as findings of fact, per
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As for "most uninvolved users" voted for deletion, I only see one uninvolved user in the whole lot (that has never weighed in on the topic somewhere), and they voted for
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In the order presented on the Evidence page. Please note that as I track WP regularly while I batch read Email once every day or two (or three), I will be responding to
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If someone chose the username "Anti-Lesbian" they would be set upon by a pack of wolves. But disparage the Baltics and Eastern Europe and all one hears is cricket song.
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Read the article on Dyukov—based mainly on what Dyukov has blogged about himself and overstating the significance of anything he's ever written, edited, or proof-read.
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I've done some thinking on the possibilities of a more collaborative order once the wailing and gnashing of teeth here subsides. As I see it, there are three camps:
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Which if you continue through the threads, you will find that a number of editors believed that, upon further clarification, I had struck a fair compromise position
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the definition of "collaboration" to NOT mean merely cooperation BEFORE the afore-mentioned uninvolved comment (and so, actually supporting the narrow view), which
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litanies of "I knew it all along"—with the most self-righteous of these coming from some of the worst offenders attempting to bring down the walls of WP integrity—
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given the numbers of times Hughes' article has been paraded out to criticize Estonia and the points I've made above, made in response AND BALANCING CONTENT ADDED.
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notes that in Estonia the state has been captured by the titular ethnic group and then used to promote ‘nationalising’ policies and discrimination against
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intentionally omitting in their unbalanced POV format (knowing the balance exists elsewhere) in yet another venue to create yet more Baltic attack content
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Hiberniantears was lobbied into a content dispute by Dojarca, then acted unilaterally to split an article in a manner not supported by historical facts,
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The evidence presented herein that harassing people in real life, creating sockpuppets, etc. mentioned in private correspondence constituted in any way
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is a heritage site of personal perspectives via travelogues, reference materials not readily available on the web, and an unfiltered news feed via RSS.
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Alas, Peltmikko subsequently undid my Estonian law edit asking that I make it sexier reading, which I unfortunately have not had a chance to attend to.
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Viriditas accuses (as I discovered later) anyone who disagrees with him as conspiring against him, and has particular ownership issues regarding the
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Therefore my first presentation of evidence is limited to the "evidence presented" and comments associated with these proceedings and protagonists.
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Another POV pusher returned from the wilderness to resurrect past conflicts hoping for a better result, hoping that facts of history do not apply.
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the next message in my inbox after the last message in the "archive" is one shortly thereafter stating the mailing list member list was unavailable
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That camp #3 stays away from camp #1 while camp #2 is permanently engaged in a battle with camp #1 rather points to the source of the EE conflict.
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wasn't comparing Giano to anyone. Please do not put words in my mouth. Furthermore, I believe I made it quite clear that my comment related to WP
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The mailing list had no impact on my on-Wiki behavior. And where I arrived at anything off my usual radar screen (re: Viriditas), it was looking
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I regret that PasswordUsername appears to be taking these proceedings as the opening of hunting season regarding Baltic individuals. Witness the
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And, for yet another member of the woe is Petri cult, what got Petri banned the first time was his over the top ethno-fascist et al. rantings.
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6) Using Knowledge policies and guidelines in bad faith to thwart the aims of Knowledge and the process of communal editorship deliberately is
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to swell the ranks of those editors proven to work together. I hold no grudge, but neither am I holding my breath, as that has never happened.
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by editors naively assuming good faith and allowing themselves to become proxies for attacks (Dojarca-Hiberniantears and Offliner-Jehochman)
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For someone so link-happy in pushing their position, that here Russavia provides no link at all to what he terms "all criteria" is damning.
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As PasswordUsername has chosen the provocative and bellicose moniker "Anti-Nationalist", I must repeat this observation from my user page:
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have initiated. There are also those who simply have ownership issues having nothing to do with any alleged activity by the mailing list.
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the pro-Official Russia/ pro-Soviet glory/ anti-Baltic/ pro-separatist (Transnistria, South Ossetia,...) et al. camp, which I'll label "
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Nominate the article for deletion because Dyukov is not notable as a reputable historian and see who rushes to defend him as legitimate.
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The main actors were helped in the edit warring by other members, obviously in exchange for their help in edit warring on Polish articles
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As I've indicated regarding my Email reading patterns, any evidence of timing is circumstantial conjecture and I will not address those.
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clearly leaving the door open to PasswordUsername's engaging in a more balanced approach to the topic even in my private correspondence.
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post on a user talk page that I was stalking him. Evidence? Of nothing—rather more of PasswordUsername's disparaging bad faith attitude.
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opinion, adding another article FROM THE SAME SITE as balancing opinion. Adding balancing content is not edit warring, removing it is.
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the manner in which Alex Bakharev slanted the description of the contents of the evidence when first received in making his revelation
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intersect with the activities of camp #1, as there is already camp #2 to deal with camp #1 and why put yourself in the cross-hairs.
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This does not address that consensus is a numbers game, per the above, absent of reputable sources forming a basis for discussion.
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The problem here is that we are to believe that anything written in private is to be taken at face value—it's written in private
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to all be items of deep concern. I present this evidence in this section responding to evidence "against me" for these reasons.
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in relation to the email that Vecrumba sent Sandstein, that the group should take the angle that Offliner is acting as my proxy.
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that we should be preventing ALL POV and attribute it appropriately. There is also no reason why a historian connected with the
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SS I know for a fact wore Latvian flags under their uniforms--for which crime the Nazis would shoot them outright if discovered.
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conversations can, or are, done in secret makes it more difficult to detect but does not reduce the impropriety of holding them.
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once Russavia was unbanned for the purposes of this proceeding, Russavia then assaulted Sandstein over that same correspondence
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This would be little more than another behind-the-back stab-in-the-back personal attack used to push personal agendas and POVs.
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10) Evidence that has been obtained through unethical or illegal means cannot be used or examined by the Arbitration Committee.
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In an atmosphere of bad faith, any notification of any other editor is automatically attacked by the opposition as canvassing.
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the dubious Soviet glory/ dispellers of Official Russia and Soviet era propaganda camp which I'll label "anti-Stalinist"; and
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Russavia had his melt-down and pro-Official Russia swung into action to find a bargaining chip to use against the opposition,
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Vecrumba, Radeksz and Biophys constantly accuse their opponents of being pro-Putin/extremist/chauvinist/Stalinist/neo-Nazist.
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As with everything else presented regarding collusion, the assumption is the list had a material on-Wiki impact. It did not.
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for why editors of good faith genuinely and deeply interested in the history of Eastern Europe might wish to chat off-Wiki.
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So my personal details were not only discussed, but it was actively discussed on what could be done to harrass me off-wiki.
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Vecrumba states that he would visit the article in a few days, only to avoid them appearing opportunistic on this article."
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An incident started by Offliner creating an attack page, pushing the anti-Estonian agenda he shares with PassswordUsername
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Lastly, regarding Petri Krohn, he was the victim of his own unceasing increasingly strident POV pushing, denunciation of
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Viriditas' jealously guarded doorstep. (Frankly, I had no idea who the f**k Viriditas was when he started attacking me.)
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With reference to Offliner's pushing Amnesty International's report on Estonia as reputable, factual, etc. note Offliner
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As I expect Offliner will accuse me of the same "behind the back" accusations I "hypocritically" accuse others of (I
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Of course, if more than one editor agrees in opposition to Russavia et al., truck out the links to WP:ALPHABETSOUP:
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And before Offliner presents my harassment of him as additional evidence (given his quoting of "behind the back")...
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On J. Milburn's "other" image deletion, already covered, I explained my rationale in the image AfD in great detail.
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If Russavia can provide me with the verifiable basis in fact for the Russian Duma passing its reminder that Latvia
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The actions of those who have baited, bullied, berated, threatened, implicated,... Sandstein speak for themselves.
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my summary (per evidence archive, no confirmation of the whole as untampered with) of said alleged provocation? "
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creating socks, harassing people in their private lives, etc. Those here who believe that to all be true betray
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this is presented by Alex (as it has also been by Offliner and PasswordUsername in past attack content) as the
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re: Activity of the group in the article Occupation of Baltic states and avoiding dispute resolution procedures
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April in Paris was far more pleasant. In some countries, May Day was a long and lazy official holiday weekend.
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reliable, certainly not by western standards. Note Russavia's use of the "reputable by association" device.
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at which point Radeksz restores an earlier version with a completely accurate and appropriate edit summary (
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with pictures and the outing of editors along with personal contact information, at EncyclopediaDramatica.
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mirroring earlier attack content created/ edited by Offliner and PasswordUsername in a number of articles:
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to the prior revision. PasswordUsername arrives (cited edit) to delete half of the introductory paragraph,
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article. His evidence is a fantasy regarding my conspiring, and so, presents and excellent case study of
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attempts to ascertain when it was that the bad blood began between Biophys and Russavia, as (my words): "
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the Russian Duma "reminding" Latvia it joined the USSR legally according to international law—and hence
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them in longstanding conflicts or getting them to file arbitration requests effectively as their proxy.
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to bring out all the opposition to comment, at which point the "cabal" was conveniently revealed, the
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his "trust" in releasing the evidence to antagonistic editors such as Deacon ("I trust Deacon"), and
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occupied. And so, these two "opinions" should be presented as such without preference or prejudice.
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Clearly, the primary agenda here is to attack any person or any nation critical of Official Russia.
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to Mosedschurte was to file an arbitration notification to control content by attacking the editor
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We'll see if PU can engage in content dialog based on sources and constructing balanced articles.
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Some badgering I failed to head off regarding same (given his quoting of "behind the back")...."
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of participants in a discussion — especially when policy enforcement or sanctions are considered.
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is more interested in protecting tranquil waters than offending Giano...follow the conversation:
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camps #1 and #2 are irreconcilable owing to the official position of the Russian administration;
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of those who do so and of those who blindly parrot that contention without checking the record.
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I regret that Thatcher's evidence testifies more to the malevolent pervasiveness of bad faith
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P.S. For an illuminating discussion primarily between myself and Beatle Fab Four over Dyukov,
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Consensus as "agreement" is meaningless. Consensus only has meaning when it has as its basis
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based on the underlying meme that "nationalists" such as myself are the basest of life forms
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propaganda. Please note Ellol's innuendo of belief regarding Sandstein's "involvement." See
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Any editor of Baltic or Eastern European heritage is fair game for abuse of the worst sort.
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aware that Offliner is watching Sandstein's talk), I point you to this chain of edits:
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in fact are equally valid opposites. It is, in fact, the position of Official Russia:
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the discussion here and Hiberniantears' agreement to leave it all in collapsed format
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rush to attack my comments and all possibilities of a constructive dialog go to hell.
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his joining the anti-Estonian crusade waged chiefly by Offliner and PasswordUsername
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the article, adding a section on Estonian law (human rights law being an interest).
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goal being to eliminate the most persistent WP thorns in pro-Official Russia's side
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having bearing on human rights, widely interpreted (rather per the discussions of
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reputable or factual, simple as that. (I've dealt with Dyukov et al. elsewhere).
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to source content for Knowledge (and not prefaced with "Soviet sources say...").
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This is as good a place as any to mention Russavia's championing the polemics of
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principles include those which are based on an assumption of guilt, not innocence
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For now, let us examine some of the lobbying and lobbyists surrounding Russavia:
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According to Viriditas, I arrive to pile on with the rest of the conspirators.
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I ask A to stop behavior, that being accusations against me on user talk pages.
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requests un-banning Russavia and solicits the "return" of Irpen and Ghirlandajo
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Amnesty is pushed where it suits the anti-Estonian agenda (while Amnesty gets
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deleting my comments on his choice of sources and their inclusion in articles.
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citing the opposing article, also appearing at Development and Transition and
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where a specific request for aid was granted while other pleas went unheeded.
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openly investigate why and where those sources differ in their conclusions.
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Dojarca should be rightly admired, and then topic banned, for his bullocks.
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of antisemitism, not to mention Offliner presenting it as Nazi glorification
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and disrupt the consensus building process by making participation lopsided.
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consensus where none (or a different one) would exist in a wider population.
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I dealt with Irpen extensively on a number of topics. We even cooperated on
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the more they make the case the mailing list made no perceptible difference
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wrote was (and this is checking my own outgoing mail, which I save, I have
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the presentation of factually unsubstantiated opinion as encyclopedic fact
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that WP should only utilise the writings of western historians. I clearly
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As long as fair and accurate representation of reputable sources remains:
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Personally, I welcome any editor willing to move from camp #1 to camp #3
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with why I told PasswordUsername to cease and desist in the first place.
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would upstanding editors who value their integrity communicate off-Wiki?
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and should seriously consider their own continued participation on WP.
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disagree. All articles are supposed to be as NPOV as possible, as per
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I found the aforementioned RfC and voted my personal editorial opinion
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as a reputable accounting of history—recalling Russavia's meltdown at
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I've read Jehochman's user page. He offers sound advice, for example,
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RIA Novosti is Russian state media. One can report what it says, but
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Prior to PasswordUsername's edit, Chumchum7 (don't know them) made a
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this being characterized by Offliner as "Vecrumba arrives to edit war
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accusations involving any timing of anything—timing is a red herring.
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the mailing list, including his own readiness to ascribe bad faith.
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PasswordUsername's harassment of myself on Alek Bakharev's talk page
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it is a lie that Estonians were taken away to Siberia in cattle cars
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at the hands of those making the allegations, so not the same thing
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that collaboration on controversial Baltic/EE content is possible.
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especially much more about historical EE conflicts predating WWII,
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Russavia's own evidence here condemns his own blatant POV pushing.
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There is no on-Wiki means of notification which is not so attacked
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the "personal interest" contention to represent the source, Irpen
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Pro- Pro-Russia + Pro-Soviet legacy (i.e., anti-"revisionist" per
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That camp #3 has been editing together with camp #2 for years is
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including Russavia's contention upon his deletion of said content
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manner he addresses everyone he disagrees with. And Jimbo says: "
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pro-Official Russia finally succeeded in hacking the opposition,
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and a position (Latvian and the rest of the planet) which has a
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with a quite uncivil "what the fuck" (wtf?) in his edit summary
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European conflicts (Poland-Lithuania, Poland-Ukraine, et al.).
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as it seeks to subvert the normal consensus building processes.
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PasswordUsename's evidence convicts him of his own POV pushing
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If any of you are truly interested in this topic, please read
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and elsewhere)—as these put Estonia in a rather positive light
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are especially vulnerable to biased or partisan participation.
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This points to an opinion piece published by James Hughes in
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And speaking of attack crap, let's not forget the classic at
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I'll just deal with the following in the evidence presented:
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Russavia's personal attack that I "do not get the concept of
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Prominence of fringe Bäckman confirms attack content, removed
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vandalizes the article by deleting all international rankings
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And I also change Offliner's prior characterization of fact
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These proceedings are not a declaration of open season for
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outside the scope of WP administrative conflict resolution,
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Do feel free to expand and read, it includes gems such as
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To Offliner's "evidence" against me, this is when I first
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Perhaps I, for one, keep a close eye on Biophys's edits.
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re: Several list members actively broke general sanctions
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Wish I had thought of that one, confuses Google to no end
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Russavia has been "provoked", "clearly" not all his guilt
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which Russavia had his calculated meltdown at an article
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P.S. And let's not forget how the feeding frenzy began,
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subsequent request on his contention of "verifiability."
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Russavia has laid down the gauntlet. Is WP to represent
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what Offliner positions as "Radeksz arrives to edit war"
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sorry, press freedom has nothing to do with human rights
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already having found it and responding on my own I will
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there will be no extracting ourselves from the quagmire.
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per a source describing the swastika as such, while my
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anti-Semitism, no one equates communism and Judaism as
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I will not stand for your vicious and baseless slander.
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re: Discrimination against ethnic minorities in Estonia
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general contentions which would also pertain to me, and
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Viriditas, I would have been welcomed with open arms. "
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I gloss over that Viriditas's own evidence proves his
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collaborator—surely not Anonimu's intent! Or perhaps.
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joined the USSR legally according to international law
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I have already dealt with the widespread criticism of
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I restored to the prior content with some copyediting.
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indicate that Hughes' article was, in fact, accusatory
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if Russavia is un-banned he'll be "lynched" in an hour
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regarding on-Wiki claims of being Russian agents and
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expands the FIDH and "Latvian Human Rights Committee"
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that is, have been specifically constructed as to be
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No, it's about, as Russavia would put it, observing
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was #4 of 173 in press freedom (2008) on the planet
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This is how mutual recriminations of bad faith start
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That Stalin took a personal interest in the victims
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No one ever for even one nanosecond ever 3353:2009-06-05 - 14:33 - Vecrumba votes on the RfC. 3092:, ones which Offliner and PasswordUsername are 3090:balancing POVs already appear in other articles 2957:second nomination also wound up as a keep with 2941:Now, to PasswordUsername's mentions of myself. 3981:That there was an EEML "artificial consensus" 3463:This is typical of taking proposals which are 3458:Piotrus proposes to create socks for reverting 2960:uninvolved editors voting 3:1 in favor of keep 2592:no convincing evidence supporting those claims 2559:that the "evidence" archive is 100% genuine): 1856:re: Files for deletion, File:German Soviet.jpg 1647:correctly changes Offliner's prior content to 2632:Of course I would state this. Had I appeared 2511:had nothing to do with the surname discussion 1903:removing the description of Jewish Bolshevism 1865:which explains my position in painful detail. 656:Such a userbox is divisive and inflammatory." 447:who was "provoked," not the other way around. 365: 8: 3882:As for the proceedings here, that they are: 2171:here when it is not complimentary regarding 1658:eventually removes the extended FIDH content 3281:either Baltic or Soviet versions of history 1280:immaterial to the concept of consensus, and 1207:. The litmus test being, had I arrived and 456: 3878:For that reason alone I would do it again. 2326:As for my personal "nationalist" website, 2230:So, to the rest of the new crop of diffs: 1378:materially impact on-Wiki edits in any way 889:That Conquest was discredited and obsolete 372: 358: 41: 2967:re: Anti-Russian sentiment: 8-16 May 2009 1376:Nor has anyone wondered, did any of this 480:his Messianic return from the wilderness: 3690:one-sided politically motivated diatribe 3333:being made because of the mailing list: 2648:re: Soviet War Memorial (Treptower Park) 1626:...and then a whole pile, starting with 1014:into account when determining consensus. 966:and relied solely on a disputing editor 3803:intentional and clear misrepresentation 3782:opposing commentary published, also in 2945:re: Swamping of AFD and CFD discussions 2667:1 disagrees with Russavia = meatpuppet. 2594:. Let's keep as background that people 2207:regarding its pronouncements on Estonia 1911:restoring to PasswordUsername's version 1667:Estonian human rights, not to mention, 937:because it appears on page 218, not 217 855:." ἰχθὺς ἐκ ṯῇς κɛϕαλῇς ὄζɛίν ἄρχɛṯαί. 390:presumed to be relevant to the "list". 44: 3916:all these are the very proof and very 3480:their own utter poisoning by bad faith 3343:Talk:Human rights in the United States 2808:re: My personal details were discussed 2609:more stridently at his repeat deletion 2509:This thread of the overall discussion 2087:And yet more late breaking evidence... 1558:Article was not exactly "merged" into 660:Yet PasswordUsername's new user name, 3838:the EE area of contention for a bit. 3539:, Hiberniantears decides, well, they 2874:, per my above discussion of Dyukov. 2799:the one pushing my personal "truth." 2626:20090910-0218- Russavia got Bannned ! 2534:20090910-0238- Russavia got Bannned ! 2495:as the press organ of Official Russia 2262:after the war), does not belong in a 1360:no one has even tendered the question 7: 3848:That only serves to underscore that 3735:United Nations Development Programme 3651:re: On the previous arbitration case 3383:Mosedschurte contacted me on my talk 3026:re: Evidence from the e-mail archive 2613:which report is either true or false 1909:Rather oddly, Altenmann switches to 1880:"On 10 June. PasswordUsername edits 1765:PasswordUsername arrives to edit war 145:Clarification and Amendment requests 3977:And based on some comments elewhere 2952:1 opposing PasswordUsername's views 2919:(in response to an Email from me), 2195:re: Censorship of Estonian articles 2153:Offliner's posting and my response 1633:...and shortly thereafter Offliner 1588:reverts with appropriate commentary 4053:So, what conclusions can we draw? 4030:debated as to their reputability. 3775:does not attribute the description 3766:Hughes states in the article that 3394:Subsequent to my participation at 2293:undo PasswordUsername edit warring 2288:undo PasswordUsername edit warring 2283:undo PasswordUsername edit warring 2273:undo PasswordUsername edit warring 2070:And here Offliner accuses me of a 2051:As these proceedings have unfolded 1927:This is the result of activity at 1716:removes the reference that Estonia 1701:(being also free speech) with the 1670:now misrepresents the cited source 1433:As I usually read about something 900:the only case during the Holodomor 40: 3400:Human rights in the United States 3325:Human rights in the United States 3015:Anonimu then jumped in and erased 1851:. I did not "arrive to edit war." 1754:Bäckman's credibility as a source 1581:Human rights in the United States 1476:," I refer you to point #1 above. 1097:when not public — are considered 687:Giano returns from the wilderness 3584:The Quixotic quest for "balance" 3373:So, what was the actual path to 2527:re: Offliner as Russavia's proxy 2520:Latvian SSR Concise Encyclopedia 1778:as well as a generally balanced 1071:Internal processes are designed 666:, is tolerated without comment. 52: 3214:about why no coverup, innuendo 3147:(line 46), per PasswordUsername 3141:In her articles, Novodvorskaya 2766:in non-Baltic western sources. 2007:This one is rich. "2009-03-20. 1407:assumptions made and questions 1048:Consensus in internal processes 996:Proposed principles as evidence 426:the goal being to save Russavia 3658:lobbying an unsuspecting admin 3616:re: Template:Soviet occupation 3208:a Nazi collaborator, innuendo 2173:Freedom of the press in Russia 2034:, before I can respond, first 1962:exactly what is the issue here 1604:adding FIDH as its own section 1554:rightly nominated for deletion 741:14:07, 27 September 2009 (UTC) 663:a clear provocation and insult 404:These proceedings and Russavia 385:Statement/Evidence by Vecrumba 1: 3768:Estonia has been described as 3428:factually unsubstantiated POV 2782:narrative of events based on 2588:Digwuren's original insertion 1834:allegations of discrimination 1759:does some restoration cleanup 1663:PassswordUsername arrives to 843:Giano addresses Jimbo in the 30:Eastern European mailing list 4090:18:25, 24 October 2009 (UTC) 4002:14:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC) 3972:23:41, 25 October 2009 (UTC) 3770:... not that it is confirmed 3533:(!!!) after which question, 3526:to John Carter. And note my 3235:17:40, 29 October 2009 (UTC) 2971:Regarding my "edit-warring" 2900:20:51, 27 October 2009 (UTC) 2886:anywhere one feels like it. 2418:fill the article with Dyukov 2352:19:57, 29 October 2009 (UTC) 2190:02:36, 24 October 2009 (UTC) 1995:so it must reflect the truth 1947:post at Hiberniantears' talk 1897:arriving at something which 1808:already working on improving 1687:Offliner arrives to edit war 1269:CLOSING regarding Principles 1083:content and source agnostic. 969:not having the entire source 276:Conflict of interest reports 2992:Regarding my "helping out" 2393:Russian Academy of Sciences 1792:It is at this point that I 1429:specific diffs of my edits. 1301:Asssumptions and questions 1213:Presumption of coordination 1184:Presumption of coordination 811:15:19, 3 October 2009 (UTC) 771:05:25, 3 October 2009 (UTC) 105:Search archived proceedings 4105: 4044:camp #3 tends (wisely) to 3890:and others, "stonewalling" 3830:Summary regarding evidence 3784:Development and Transition 3750:Development and Transition 3571:if they are appropriate). 3451:The poisoning of Knowledge 3143:openly supported apartheid 2699:which has no basis in fact 2565:was looking to forward it 2483:read the talk section here 2298:undo Offliner edit warring 2278:undo Offliner edit warring 2160:Typical pro-Russia warring 1847:So, what do we have here? 1827:Martintg then arrives and 1616:Development and Transition 1541:First, let us look at the 932:exactly what I had written 756:. Stricken under protest. 150:Arbitrator motion requests 3886:largely along party lines 3639:Please feel free to read 3575:re: spoilers and "hiding" 3467:real and purporting they 3381:07:42, 28 May 2009 (UTC)— 2416:, where he threatened to 2056:Late breaking evidence... 942:<ref name="DW217": --> 915:, note his edit comment: 753:and not to you personally 4017:official Russia rhetoric 3869:all my time before on WP 3167:re: Baiting Paul Siebert 3116:PasswordUsername writes 3075:gets us close enough to 2975:, it's quite clear that 2683:verifiability, not truth 2619:re: Alexander Litvinenko 1863:rather extensive comment 1780:account by Freedom House 1380:? No, what we have are: 821:Threats and intimidation 788:what I explicitly stated 691:I welcome the long lost 3568:not stopping to discuss 3190:Smearing dead Estonians 2659:et al. regarding timing 2607:, subsequently stated 2395:should be excluded,..." 2304:Continuing censorship: 2265:timeline (major events) 2211:Simon Wiesenthal Center 2009:Russavia reported to AE 1699:deletes "press freedom" 1564:Human Rights in Estonia 1560:Human Rights in Estonia 1060:arbitration enforcement 1009:1) Knowledge relies on 3908:there still being not 3780:Hughes' piece has had 3693:that editors opposed. 3385:regarding the article 3135:Valeriya Novodvorskaya 2435:You wish to see "POV"? 2431:You wish to see "POV"? 2260:in custody for 2 years 1640:Peltimikko arrives to 1525:here regarding the RFA 1273:I hereby submit that: 1231:Off-wiki communication 963:completely intentional 922:that is just not there 708:Blocked for incivility 3756:Hughes' contentions. 3337:2009-05-21 - 05:56 - 3198:at the talk page for 3084:On "call to arms" on 2657:re: Communist Romania 2543:continue to question 2526: 2515:this list of surnames 2205:Amnesty International 2169:Amnesty International 2061:More bad faith edits 2032:attempts to engage me 1945:I should also add my 1804:I had already arrived 1767:, supporting Offliner 1680:per his edit summary. 1575:Offliner arrives and 1253:Exclusion of evidence 828:demonstrated impunity 346:Track related changes 206:Arbitration Committee 46:Knowledge Arbitration 18:Knowledge:Arbitration 3984:in any way different 3859:current affairs, and 3549:knew nothing about. 3541:will just fix things 2383:. Take for example, 2254:Nazi glorification: 2248:"were seen" by whom? 1720:with no edit summary 1599:from his attack-rack 1597:starts to transplant 1514:Deacon of Pndapetzim 1288:and, in particular, 1218:WP assumes bad faith 602:Deacon of Pndapetzim 501:regularly practices 155:Enforcement requests 83:Guide to arbitration 3925:also available and 3843:serious discussions 3474:seriously discussed 2750:unequivocally clear 2234:At Kaitsepolitsei: 1822:to be an allegation 1752:correctly positions 1678:Peltimikko corrects 1488:Sandstein, point #1 872:Reverence for Irpen 3304:Communist genocide 2854:HistoricWarrior007 2389:responded to Tymek 2385:Tymek's suggestion 1933:PasswordUsername's 1899:Altenmann restores 1831:section regarding 1122:not a battleground 1115:Not a battleground 987:searing indictment 940:(the ref being to 736: 715:the part of many. 577:HistoricWarrior007 418:are related events 177:Contentious topics 75:Arbitration policy 4081: 4007:On moving forward 4000: 3994: 3970: 3964: 3893:a poisoning made 3856:valuable sources, 3675:Another case of " 3641:the diff provided 3561:whether they are 3339:User:Mosedschurte 3265:Crotalus horridus 3233: 3227: 3036:Jewish Bolshevism 3011:strove to clarify 2898: 2892: 2773:opinion based on 2539:suggests that if 2350: 2344: 2181: 2149: 2082: 1895:a series of edits 1882:Jewish Bolshevism 1829:adds an extensive 1714:...then Offliner 1697:...then Offliner 1470:enable and reward 1259: 1238: 1195: 1175: 1168:gaming the system 1166:and is a form of 1148: 1134:Gaming the system 1125: 1102: 1079:content disputes, 1067: 1039: 1021:reputable sources 1015: 960:on page 217) was 953:misrepresentation 802: 762: 734: 671: 670: 382: 381: 349: 317: 187:General sanctions 135:All open requests 65:About arbitration 4096: 4087: 4082: 4079: 3997: 3995: 3992: 3967: 3965: 3962: 3836:to get away from 3555:words sound like 3536:still unanswered 3375:my participation 3230: 3228: 3225: 2977:PasswordUsername 2929:PasswordUsername 2895: 2893: 2890: 2884:smearing editors 2728:The Soviet Story 2582:re: Web brigades 2414:The Soviet Story 2364:readily provided 2347: 2345: 2342: 2332:Please do visit. 2187: 2182: 2179: 2155:as a single diff 2148:October 21, 2009 2147: 2080: 1770:Peltimikko adds 1414: 1344: 1257: 1235: 1188: 1161: 1145:the revert rules 1138: 1120:5) Knowledge is 1119: 1095: 1052: 1036: 1008: 992: 943: 868: 808: 803: 800: 768: 763: 760: 728: 700:Kiss and make up 683: 640:Anti-Nationalist 628:PasswordUsername 624:Anti-Nationalist 457: 442: 427: 414:The Soviet Story 374: 367: 360: 348: 343: 336: 315: 271:Clerk procedures 263: 221: 192:Editor sanctions 169:Active sanctions 127:Open proceedings 97: 56: 42: 4104: 4103: 4099: 4098: 4097: 4095: 4094: 4093: 4085: 4077: 4009: 3990: 3979: 3960: 3947: 3832: 3718: 3702: 3673: 3653: 3637: 3620:As I've stated 3618: 3595: 3577: 3508: 3503: 3453: 3448: 3420: 3321: 3313: 3299: 3294: 3292:Commodore Sloat 3277: 3267: 3251: 3242: 3223: 3202:where he asks: 3192: 3169: 3145:in South Africa 3122:subsequent edit 3106: 3028: 3002: 2990: 2969: 2947: 2931: 2907: 2888: 2880: 2856: 2846: 2836: 2826: 2810: 2785:verifiable fact 2679: 2662: 2650: 2642:self-protection 2621: 2584: 2529: 2491: 2400:evidence." 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