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1920:). This was not, as Edchem says, ‘after a suggestion by Brad’, but was entirely Ms. Arendt’s initiative. This was a provocative moment for undertaking such a contentious edit, which soon accumulated a deal of comment from editors, including Mr. Mabbett, much of it bilious on both sides (I do not except myself, who was feeling peeved, to say the least). Ms. Arendt then, quite charmingly (credit where credit is due!), on the morning of the bicentenary posted on the talk page a compendium of Wagner ‘Do You Knows’. I therefore archived the already extensive talkpage before this item (including the ‘infobox’ and discussion), to give Ms. Arendt’s more recent edit a decent airing to article visitors. Mr. Mabbett then unilaterally unarchived the talkpage and initiated an extensive squabble. His motivation seems inexplicable except in terms of a desire to agitate. By the way, at this time (and I believe still at the present) Mr. Mabbett was 1304:: I see the present "project specialties" in conflict with site consistency; restrictions seem to serve the interests of the writers more than the readers. Readers expect to see an infobox in the upper right corner. For most composers, they see only a picture (there are exceptions), for most operas, they see a sidebar navbox, which in cases of prolific composers such as Richard Wagner duplicates information that is also in the footer navbox, information which is the same for all his operas, nothing about the specific work. - Composer: I believe that an infobox doesn't "damage" an article (the term has been used). For composers with a wealth of information in a footer navbox, it could simply supply dates and locations of birth and death, to provide a quick information about historic and geographic context, - suggested for 1183:, it's a fair question, but I honestly don't know how to answer it. I don't like seeing people get blocked or banned from things they enjoy. I also like Andy, although I don't edit in the areas mentioned. My own personal choice is to grant preferences to any original and/or principle author when it comes to formatting and infoboxes. There's nothing in policy that says that, just my own choice. I don't know how to resolve the situation; which is why I am looking to the Arb committee to find a way forward here. I'm not trying to avoid your question, it's just that I really don't know a good answer. — 2241:
here by banning a couple of the worst offenders, but frankly, as MastCell points out, that's only going to fix the veneer. Right now, the only option I see having a decent chance of working is summary disposition of the matter by expedited case that would impose bans for past behavior without the usual process of determining who was the worst offender. It will be an unfair decision, but it might stop some of the bleeding. It's not going to solve the dispute, but neither would a motion admonishing people to behave better.
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supposed necessity or inevitability of having infoboxes; dissenting opinions (e.g. those which query the actual value of an infobox) are ignored. This process is quite intimidating to editors who are not equipped to, or interested in, scoring points. Some, like me, sometimes admittedly foolishly, rise to the bait. But not all of us are, like Mr. Mabbett, actually employed as Wikipedians in Residence and can devote all hours of the day to pursuing our pet crusades.
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be willing to look at a case. In particular I would ask that the committee view the thoughts of the people active in the classical music area as a beginning point. I understand that it is not within the committees remit to determine content, but rather to resolve disruption. Said disruption can easily be demonstrated in an evidence stage. I ask the committee to assist me in determining the scope and parties of this case. —
2621:. Because there is no project-wide policy governing when infoboxes should be used, disagreements concerning their inclusion arise with some regularity. These disagreements are sometimes resolved as they should be, through collegial discussion and consensus, but too often the consensus-building process has broken down, in a fashion that has been extremely demoralizing to many editors. Reasons for such breakdowns include: 136: 1904:. Their styles are different. Ms. Arendt makes, without consultation, edits and changes which she knows (by now) will be provocative and annoying to some editors, and then feigns hurt innocence and surprise in her responses. She is frequently then supported in her efforts by Mr. Mabbett, whose style is distinctly more nasty and brutal (but alas not short). When 1438:: Can you tell me how the Wagner discussion would have profited from Andy's absence? (Remember: it was NOT about an infobox for the article.) - Can you tell me where I or Andy or anybody else requested a mandatory infobox? - Can you show me one instance of "imposing infoboxes" in 2013? - Please read above what I said above about the heat in arguments. -- 3224: 1229:'s request for brevity. However, almost every effort to actually use it is met with removal and time-consuming discussions, instead of showing it to our readers and let them participate in discussion and improvement. I was involved in creating the template and in inserting it. For an example, read talk (and history of article and talk) of 3290:
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3.2) Gerda Arendt is indefinitely restricted from: adding or deleting infoboxes; restoring an infobox that has been deleted; or making more than two comments in discussing the inclusion or exclusion of an infobox on a given article. They may participate in wider policy discussions regarding infoboxes
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It is not clear to what degree, if any, the views of editors with a particular connection to an article (e.g., the editor who created the article or knowledgeable members of a relevant wikiproject) should be accorded any added weight in such discussions, nor is it clear how the potential desirability
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I concur with those above saying there is no evidence that a case should be opened; but if there must be one, then Arbcom members are welcome to read the outcomes of the RfC called by members of the classical music project a while ago (also missing from Kleinzach's list), not least "Infoboxes are not
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Whilst there are issues of principle involved in this topic, I in fact believe that most discussions of infoboxes on pages could be dealt with on a case by case basis (or probably wouldn’t arise at all) if the few zealots who have provoked the issue into a major battlefield in the past could desist –
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writes that ‘The editors involved are expert at being civil’, he is clearly not reading Mr. Mabbett’s threads. Quite often a bunch of usual suspects, like Mr.Mabbett unknown as music article editors, follow him into these frays, adopting the same egregious style. The ‘arguments’ normally turn on the
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1) The purpose of Knowledge (XXG) is to create a high-quality, free-content encyclopedia in an atmosphere of camaraderie and mutual respect among contributors. Anyone may edit, use, modify and distribute the content for any purpose and the re-use of the information should be facilitated, where it is
1341:"Ms. Arendt makes, without consultation, edits ..." - 1) everybody here can call me Gerda. 2) It reads as if I made those edits to articles. Composers: I did not add an infobox to a "controversial" composer. Opera: I didn't think infoboxes supported by the project would be considered "controversial". 937:
I don't really know how to do this, and I don't know who to name as parties to the case. Still, I think at least some of the committee members are aware of the issues involved with the infobox situations. There are multiple RfC discussion to link to, and many threads available should the committee
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From reading too many ANI threads, I know all too well what the request is about. Awaiting further statements before voting. It would be helpful if statements could address, at least in general terms, how ArbCom might help resolve this longstanding problem if we accept the case (which based on how
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is now on its last legs. There are only about a dozen active editors left from what was a dynamic, high quality project around 2007-2008. Launching an Rfc targeting classical music will present editors with the choice of participating in yet another gargantuan time sink or looking for the exit. If
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I sympathize a lot with what has been said that there is a place for ArbCom to intervene here, but I also think that Kleinzach is correct, this seems like it has the potential to drive off a lot of contributors for what I frankly do not see being a very good decision. We can implicitly take sides
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If people are being bullied into having infoboxes, why do so many of the articles in Kleinzach's list, or otherwise described as being the subject of contentious action, still not have them? (Note that he also lists three TfDs, describing one was "closed as keep". He's omitted to mention that the
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The tone of debate offered by those opposed to the use of infoboxes (at all, or in specific areas) can be measured by the disingenuous and dishonest ad hominem comments made by some editors, above, and those calling for bans who have failed time and again to demonstrate community support for such
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Over the past year or so in particular, a series of disputes has arisen concerning the adoption of infoboxes in articles relating to classical music. This appears to me to have been driven by two editors in particular; there has been, for example, no series of comments from Knowledge (XXG) users
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Participants in the drafting also seem to be largely from the 'metapedian' camp. AFAIK none of the editors with reservations about the application of infoboxes, who have participated in previous debates and Rfcs, were invited to take part or found the draft. Nor are any of the 'moderates' — the
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To answer your question, the Classical Music and Composers project feel that the infoboxes there are "counter-productive" to be used in articles without discussing it first on the talk page. To quote the Composers WikiProject's stance on biographical infoboxes, "We think it is normally best,
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people who are broadly pro metadata but who recognise publishing issues — involved. So it seems more of a referendum, crafted to achieve a particular result, than a genuine Rfc. I think it would cause even more fighting, rather than lead to improved consensus. I hope it can be dropped.
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Awaiting more statements. What we need, and if the clerks and others can help construct this, it would be nice, is a list of the "actual" parties, as it can't be presumed that the notifications on the Wikiproject talk pages will reach all, or even most, of those involved.
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I recently discovered this draft Rfc and I have many concerns, not least that it specifically targets classical music editors. It seems to have been framed from the 'metapedian' point of view that community harmony, structural uniformity etc. are of overriding importance
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I don't want to waste everybody's time by going into more detail, there would be much more. Andy is just back from hospital and can't respond as he would wish to do. If you allow me also a summary: I found his contributions in the discussions factual and to the point. He
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It is not clear how infobox disputes are to be resolved (e.g. if 5 editors favor including an infobox in a given article and 5 disfavor it, there is no default rule and no policy guidance for determining how the consensus is to be determined, so the dispute continues
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6) The Arbitration Committee recommends that a well-publicized community discussion be held to address whether to adopt a policy or guideline addressing what factors should weigh in favor of or against including an infobox in a given article.
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I'm inclined to agree with Mark Arsten; a centralised RfC is the proper approach. For a year or more, I've been inviting those opposed to infoboxes to call one to demonstrate support for their claims of consensus, but they have never done so.
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7) Where there is a global consensus to edit in a certain way, it should be respected and cannot be overruled by a local consensus. However, on subjects where there is no global consensus, a local consensus should be taken into account.
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On top of what Orlady described above, the latest development (which possibly made uninvolved Ched post) goes even further than biographies of classical music composers and performers. Project opera developed an infobox for operas,
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2) The use of infoboxes is neither required nor prohibited for any article by site policies or guidelines. Whether to include an infobox, which infobox to include, and which parts of the infobox to use, is determined through
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therefore, to avoid infoboxes altogether for classical musicians, and we prefer to add an infobox to an article only following consensus for that inclusion on the article's talk page. Particular care should be taken with
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0) Should any user subject to a restriction in this case violate that restriction, that user may be blocked, initially for up to one month, and then with blocks increasing in duration to a maximum of one year.
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than the competing 'exopedian' view that we are trying to publish correct information and serve the reader. For example. the introductory section, 'Scope', doesn't even mention the encyclopedia.
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III) During this six-month period, she must not, in the opinion of a consensus of administrators at the Arbitration Enforcement noticeboard, disrupt any discussion concerning infoboxes.
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process is designed to assist consensus-building when normal talk page communication has not worked. Sustained editorial conflict is not an appropriate method of resolving disputes.
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a Wikipedian in Residence (in Burnley, and before that, elsewhere). I of course wish him better as an individual, whilst continuing to deprecate his aggression on Knowledge (XXG).--
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5) All editors are reminded to maintain decorum and civility when engaged in discussions about infoboxes, and to avoid turning discussions about a single article's infobox into a
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I will pull some diffs from this page for the committee to review. I abandoned the page when I realized that the situation was bigger than I was able to handle on my own. (Ched)
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This could fairly be called a "kitchen sink" dispute; everything has been tried, and it is still an ongoing issue, with no real conclusion in sight, save an arbitration case.
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Proposals to give effective vetos to "primary authors" (how is that to be measured?) or to self-appointed projects are orthogonal to core Knowledge (XXG) values, not least
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of those "discussions" and not go by a summary. 2) "innocence" implies that there is a guilt, - sorry, I don't feel "guilty" of suggesting an infobox on an article's talk.
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that might otherwise be forgotten within a few days unless an arbitration case perpetuates them; but that we should be more willing to accept requests originating from
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they are rational, they'll opt for the latter. Once again, I think it would be better not to proceed with this. It's simply the wrong approach. Thank you and regards.
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I haven't the slightest idea what this request is about; that said, Ched, since this is your first AR, you may ask a clerk for assistance to format it correctly.
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date way back to 2007. The following differences is a set of discussions on the use of the infoboxes from some of the WikiProjects in question:
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2.1) For edit warring with Pigsonthewing, Nikkimaria is admonished to behave with the level of professionalism expected of an administrator.
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V) If after six months Gerda Arendt has not been blocked under this motion, remedy 3.2 as well as this motion shall automatically lapse.
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3.3) Gerda Arendt is admonished for treating Knowledge (XXG) as if it were a battleground and advised to better conduct themselves.
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For the record, I am placing here a list of box-related debates involving music that have occurred over the past six months or so. (
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A small number of editors have repeatedly behaved poorly and in a polarizing fashion in infobox-related editing and discussions.
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1.1) This case arises from a series of disputes concerning whether and when Knowledge (XXG) articles should include
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of discussion all over the wiki have not produced a community solution, I think it falls to us to take the case.
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1.1) Pigsonthewing is indefinitely banned from adding, or discussing the addition or removal of, infoboxes.
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on his return, - if we had more of that attitude the "problem" was solved. --
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He also selectively chooses what discussions he considers consensus
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To elaborate one recent example, already raised here by Edchem,
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procedure for the standard appeals and modifications provision
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now closed as keep. nomination by Andy Mabbett 15 March 2013
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though I may well be inactive for key parts of this case,
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encyclopedia that can be modified and distributed freely
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but if Iri does not object - then I will name them.
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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Arbitration
Requests
Case
Main case page
Talk
Evidence
Talk
Workshop
Talk
Proposed decision
Talk
Hahc21
Talk
Worm That Turned
Talk
David Fuchs
Talk
Knowledge (XXG) Arbitration

About arbitration
Talk
Arbitration policy
(CU/OS)
Guide to arbitration
Noticeboard

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