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definition was a misunderstanding. If you have any idea about Polish football fans environment, you would know that Żyleta is an independent, long-time identified concept, which deserves to be seperately recognized by
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Do not delete this! Żyleta is not a section in the former stadium, but it is an existing stand in the new stadium. It is more than a stand, it is a synonym of spontaneous and eager football support of Legia fans. It has its own history, distinct from the stadium itself. The redirection to the stadium
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articles). I intend to expand the definition systematically (I don't have so much free time), so it can meet the
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because multiple, independent reliable sources have been provided, some of which I've read using Google
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also?), it's just not in US or UK so the AfD might suffer from cultural bias, where people vote based on a "I haven't heard of it therefore it's not notable", which is NOT a good reason for deletion/redirect. Here's another source:
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Not even a stadium, not even an existing stadium, but a "section" of a "former" stadium. I attempted to do a redirect, but it was reverted.
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