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541:(concerning a Division III program), this AfD concerns an NCAA Division I program. It is not unreasonable to believe that decent season articles can be built for most Division I programs. Further, Carrite's comments about the Terre Haute newspapers (and perhaps other non-digitized newspapers), as well as WikiOriginal-9's preliminary research uncovering an article reporting on the results of at least one of the 1897 games, suggests that editors should be allowed to continue developing this article. Also, and like Unscintillating noted above, a possible reorganization (perhaps a single article covering Indiana State football from 1896-1909) could be considered. 422:
There is not a deletion problem here, there is an editing problem.  Reasonable people have come up with the structure that is here, and added their WP:OR that more sources are not available.  The editing needed to remove the WP:OR is obvious, and if there is a better organization available than one
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teams. I don't see mention of Indiana State or Indiana Normal in any of the articles. I agree that their may be enough material to write an article about the team and I encourage anyone interested to check newspaperarchive and (if they have access) genealogybank, but I don't find anything.
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The Terre Haute Semi Weekly Express is available at newspaperarchive.com. Searching that paper for football, I find about 30 results. One referred to a game between the local high school and
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we typically keep season articles about college football programs. I would have no objection to merging into a decade or other grouping of several seasons if someone wants to do that.--
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The existing content can be merged somewhere else but I don't think a redirect is a good idea. Not only is it a questionable search term, redirects are too often hijacked.
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There isn't enough information to justify having a stand-alone page on this season. "no records remain to record the scores or even the results"
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This does not mean the papers were never produced or that they have not survived, only that they are not yet digitized for ease of access.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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says that redirects are preferable to deletion for non-notable seasons.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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are digitized as part of the Newspapers.com database
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