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Cowboys. Thank you for presenting the impressive list of sources from a wide array of sources including top national authorities on NFL coverage (such as CBS and the AP) and other national sources.
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There are RS's calling it a rivalry but I don't think of it as a rivalry in the traditional sense. I think it's just the nature of two old teams having been in the same league for so long that they've been forced to play each other often. Does that form a rivalry? Regardless, there are sources that
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