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character, I understand if she must be merged for the time being, until there is enough real-word content about her that we can add to her page. But, I do not think Deangelo and Nellie should be merged, because not only are they notable, but I have provided enough real-world content to Vickers' article, and am currently doing the same for Bertram's.
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have been greatly expanded with significant real-world information since the AfD nom, i.e. people are successfully working on this set of article. As I am not familiar with the show, I cannot tell whether this is also possible with the other characters. Looking back, I agree I should not have bundled
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and discuss properly, character by character, Experience has shown it is usually not the case that all minor characters are equally minor. In any case, there is no actual reason for deletion, as every one of these, no matter how minor, can be redirected. All named characters in a major fiction are
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Deangelo Vickers and Nellie Bertram. While Charles Miner and Jo Bennet are notable characters, I admit there's not enough context in their pages for them to continue to own their own individual articles. And, while I think Kathy should have her own article, because she is becoming a recurring
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shows that the article should be kept, but some of the characters do appear to have significant independent coverage and may be legitimate articles. This should be closed and the articles should be relisted for individual consideration, if appropriate.
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all of these characters are significant and deserve their own pages, for is enough information for all of them, except Robert Lipton. His article should be deleted. He is a minor recurring character. But the rest of the pages should NOT be
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Tthere are multiple explained votes to redirect, there are a multiple unjustified votes offering no explanation for keeping, the consensus would seem clear in this case. An admin is smart enough to not delete the ones genuinely opposed.
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Does this IP vote actually count? They've been removing deletion tags from the pages, demonstrate no reason for them to remain except that they may be in the main cast, which isn't a reason, and are clearly bias about the issue.
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deleting all of them. The series is ongoing and there is now way of knowing the importance the characters will play in the future. Once the series has ended, I can understand revisiting this proposed deletion.
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Appearances do not count as notability. Also this appears to either be the same individual as 173.59.33.89 or connected to them since they have the same location. Just in the interests of transparency.
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Because why? Why? Is it so hard to justify notability? They're not "significant" just because. Nor are they significant because enough of their actions have been recounted in excessive plot form.
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Deangelo Vickers and Nellie Bertram as well. They have a decent amount of non-trivial, third-world coverage in their articles. The others are just bloated plot summaries at this point.--
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Non notable minor character, appeared in few episodes. Article is retelling of those episodes in depth and presents no real world notability. Delete or redirect.
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Well I thought we were talking about Kathy Simms. Who seems even less notable than Deangelo who appeared in 3 episodes. But whatever, a redirect is fine.
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and let editors discuss the future on these articles on the respective talk pages (a merger or redirect for some of them does not require an admin). –
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Well they'd still have to be notable first but agree with adding Nellie Bertram, would have added more if I'd known about mass deletion discussions
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we make a redirect for those users? I just don't understand why we should disenfranchise them from having this redirect as a search term. —
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the AfDs although it seemed sensible at the time. Forcing the same outcome on all articles is IMHO the wrong way now, so it's
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for Kathy Simms, This character is being considered to be a reoccurring character, and part of the main cast.--
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There's no reason any of these characters need more than a paragraph of description, two paragraphs at most.
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Because someone might think, "Oh, I want to know about Deangelo Vickers", put it in the search box, and hit
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for Kathy Simms, This character has proven to be notable as she reoccurs throughout the eighth season --
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for Jo Bennet and Kathy Simms, I think that these characters are important enough to warrant their own.--
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Bleh, you did a slew of these without differentiation. A multiple-nom would be much better.--
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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No, who has done that? Nothing should be done until the discussion is closed.
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issues (or the character can just as well be covered in a list). –
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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These characters are just as important as Creed or Meredith
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Also nominated for deletion are (see discussion above):
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list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions
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Charles Miner (The Office)
Charles Miner (The Office)
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