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550:. Large band and easily meets number four on the Criteria for musicians and ensembles in WP:Notability which is defined as "Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable)." Tours internationally even. I even bought their CD at Circuit City. That's big enough for me. 826:
This must be some alternative definition of the word "huge" I'm not familiar with, as you are now the second person to use it. They topped at 164 on the BB chart and have not had a BB single. John Legend is "huge". While I'm willing to concede that these guys are notable, maybe even well-known,
443:. This article needs a little sourcing; I'm sure a little digging will dredge up radio airplay and probably video airplay as well. Some of the side articles can go, but I'm flabbergasted that this band is even being considered for deletion. 799:"Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable)." 466:
I mention it because it's often an indicator of a strong fanbase, which can be verified through other third-party sources. I just added a slew of press references to the article which should help prove the point.
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I don't think self-issue albums warrant their own articles, although clearly they can be mentioned in (aka redirected to) the band's article. As far as the band members go, see my previous comment. -
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Idk if this is the official artical about the band, but they were featured in AP the magazine alternativepress.com they are amazing and they should seriously be taken seriously. They are amazing.
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If having their cd at chain supermarkets across the nation like Target and Walmart is any indication of being even a LITTLE notable, I would say Chiodos has more than met the requirements.
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Not to be argumentative, but they've only released one album on any record label, according to the article. Releasing the same album twice is not the same as releasing two albums, -
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into the main article. I also find it bothersome that this band has multiple articles, while veteran blues players with multiple indy label releases, that easily pass
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The Heartless Control Everything, and delete the rest. As of now, there's nothing that I can see in the band members' articles that's not in the band's article, so a
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all of the articles, but the reissue should be merged with the original album article. No reason to delete any of it now that it's clear the band meets WP:MUSIC. --
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Actually, it matters quite a bit; these are major-label bands on national and international tours. As I see it, Chiodos clearly passes clauses 3 and 5 of
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Number of MySpace friends is not exactly what I'd call a good indicator of notability. And it's nowhere near a reliable source, so it's inapplicable. -
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They are all albums by the band. The first three were not released under any label; only the last one (and its reissue) was, hence my comment below. -
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and will headline their own tour afterwards. Not to mention they have played Warped Tour in 2006 and Bamboozle as well. They are signed to
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been redlinks. Go ahead and create them. You're saying that like they've been determined to be non-notable - but they haven't been. —
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Thanks, Chubbles. Assuming the pages are kept (it looks rather certain they will be) I would be happy to do the merges myself. -
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A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band,) is notable if it meets any one of the following criteria:
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Chiodos per nationwide concert tour, and The Heartless Control Everything, All's Well That Ends Well (album) per
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founded in 1990 and has a pretty impressive roster. I have no idea why this is even being debated. This band is
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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except the reissue, and I wonder if "The Heartless Control Everything" is a song about Knowledge? ~
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With only one record with a credible label and no apparent headlining tour, my tendency is towards
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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all articles listed per the comments made above, notability appears to be satisfied.
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I think at the very least the separate album and band member articles should be
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Of Distinguished Music Knowledgable Editors discuss them. No vote from me.
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The band meets both of these. They are currently on a national tour with
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on national tours, along with Warped and a European tour... They're on
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The Chiodos Brothers. (acoustic), The Best Way to Ruin Your Life, and
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with merge tags, as well as the reissue album. That's fine with me.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Why is it important that those are redlinks? They've
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I am adding the following articles to the nomination:
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Looks like this band may have notability issues per
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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
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Chiodos
Chiodos
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talk
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The Chiodos Brothers. (acoustic)
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The Best Way to Ruin Your Life
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