550:. Large band and easily meets number four on the Criteria for musicians and ensembles in WP:Notability which is defined as "Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable)." Tours internationally even. I even bought their CD at Circuit City. That's big enough for me.
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This must be some alternative definition of the word "huge" I'm not familiar with, as you are now the second person to use it. They topped at 164 on the BB chart and have not had a BB single. John Legend is "huge". While I'm willing to concede that these guys are notable, maybe even well-known,
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I mention it because it's often an indicator of a strong fanbase, which can be verified through other third-party sources. I just added a slew of press references to the article which should help prove the point.
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Idk if this is the official artical about the band, but they were featured in AP the magazine alternativepress.com they are amazing and they should seriously be taken seriously. They are amazing.
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all of the articles, but the reissue should be merged with the original album article. No reason to delete any of it now that it's clear the band meets WP:MUSIC. --
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