1424:. The tag has become a permanent fixture on the Western cultural landscape. It's a cultural icon and as such doesn't need a treatise in several volumes dedicated to it for its significance to become apparent. As for sources, quite a few have been brought up above, and even a cursory search will come up with more (on Google Scholar there are about half a dozen papers on the first two pages that are about Knowledge and have "citation needed" in their title). –
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Knowledge. And if you look at the top, I run down all of the sources presented in the 2nd AfD nomination, finding all of them are unsuitable (just passing mentions of "citation needed", instead of
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Knowledge. A lot of people have mentioned merge, but a rename and expansion to Knowledge Cleanup in general based on the sources posted by Uncle G could also work.
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Citation_needed, it has been used nearly 2 million times in the 2 268 days after its creation, which corresponds to an average ratio of 871.64 usages per day. This means that on average one in 200 revisions has been tagged with this cleanup
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Kim, Kyung-Sun; Sin, Sei-Ching Joanna; Yoo-Lee, Eun Young (2014-08-21).
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