857:, you have been advised already to stop bringing up Ginger Alden's article in this discussion and now I'm saying it a second time. The fact that this article was deleted has no effect on whether or not the article on Anita Wood is kept or deleted which will rest on its own merits. We don't compare articles in AFDs and there is no official precedence. Please critique the sources and not the subject and do not BLUDGEON the discussion and comment on every argument you disagree with. You nominated the article, have put forth your point of view and now it's time to hear from other editors. Repeating your view over and over again will not convince anyone to agree with you, it will just irritate people. Thank you.
884:(or simply a bulleted list summarizing your view of each source if you're unable to work through the table coding). I for one, am curious to see a thorough analysis of all of the sources, and might be persuaded to !vote delete (I only nominated this as a clerical courtesy and haven't yet taken an official stance on the subject's notability), because from a cursory glance I've seen at least three or four sources that are disqualified from notability for various reasons, and
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917:) in Waco, Texas. He is well known for his close friendship with Elvis. According to Eddie, everyone believed Elvis and Anita would marry, and were really surprised when Elvis married someone else. There are images in many Elvis bios, where Elvis and Anita were spending time in Eddie's house. Graceland has often hired Eddie for fan gatherings at Graceland.
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so again, these do not demonstrate notability. And as I've pointed out, practically everyone in the Elvis world, including Ginger Alden, was involved in some lawsuit at one point or another. Who's to say that Anita Wood's lawsuit is more "important"? Nothing you've provided constitutes
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802:. It's not relevant here; each article must stand or fall on its own merits. Also, as a side note, please refrain from posting comments to the AfD log page; I've had to clean up after you a few times. Instead, keep all of your commentary on this page, thanks.
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That's not significant coverage, and Anita Wood was never famous. Practically everyone in the Elvis world was involved in some lawsuit at one point or another; the one you cite is no more important than
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