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195:. All sources on the article are not reliable, nor third party references and are also from nationalist sites trying to promote the word "massacre', or "genocide" during a ethnic war that took place with civilian casualties. I see one third party sources in the article that does not mention the massacre directly or anything, so its irrelevant. Okay to break it down, the PAGE for this is here
773:, and its aftermath. The references in this article are in many places either dead links, or dead trees. Now while there is no inherent problem with book sources, to properly assess the notability of the event, these sources are needed to see if there is significant coverage, or passing mention, and if the sources are reliable. When I go over the sources now I see the following:
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A clear propaganda effort, which is not confirmed by any non-Azerbaijani, reliable source. The author refers to the years of war between
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Armenian Genocide, nor its image. If you did research on the topic you would see where I am coming from, all third party sources or reliable sources I researched on this topic does not say a massacre occurred, if its a proven fact, please show your source that makes you
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The information from third party sources don't even mention a massacre for a fact but say that civilians were killed during a battle. Concluding that a massacre did not take place intentionally. Civilians die during battles almost always, this page is not notable enough to have its own page
205:, no third party reference is available that can verify this article. The only thing it can verify is casualties during the war which dont point out to a massacre anyway, no reliable or third party sources exist, however the amount of civilians that died during the battle can be added to
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Ref5: A 2006 book with no ISBN listed on google books (which gives pause to how important this book is). It is online on google books, but I don't speak russian, and can't check for significant coverage (I wouldn't know the cyrilic spelling of
Agdaban, so I can't even do a quick
359:- Cornell, Alizadeh, Baghdasaryan and the International Labour Office are unlikely "Azeri nationalists" to be dismissed as POV or anything of that sort. There has been enough coverage by the third-party provided to earn it a separate article status.
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