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on this question. It appears that EllsworthSK is probably mostly right, and that Hizb Al Watan is probably a reformulated version of the old NGFJD party. Over the last 6 months, references to the NGFJD party have dried up, and seem to have been replaced with references to the Hizb Al Watan party. It is somewhat frustrating since there doesn't seem to be much in-depth news coverage on this topic. Still, even if our theory is correct, it remains only an undocumented theory of contributors. Until a journalist writes a news article that clears this all up, we remain here stuck only being allowed to write articles that are supported by the available documentation. So I would hope that you might not delete or create any articles related to this question until such moves can be supported with actual independent and reliable documentation. Documentation rules. Thanks.
275:. I have searched the web to find any documentation that these two parties are one in the same, and could find none. Unless Ellsworth can come up with more than a personal undocumented opinion, namely unless he can provide some kind convincing documentation, I can see no reason to delete this article simply because of one contributor's undocumented opinion. Also, I was able to find numerous references to the "Hizb El-Watan ..." party, but scarce few to the "National Gathering...." party. If they are the same party, perhaps the "National Gathering..." article should be deleted and not the "El-Watan article. 441: 572:. Why name it Homeland Party and not Al-Watan party? Because names of the parties are primarily in english on english wikipedia. It is established that both articles deal with one and the same party, there is not much content in the second article that is not in the first one, rest can be easily copied. 316:
After spending another hour trying to find an "in-depth" analysis of the relationship between the Hizb Al Watan (Libya) party and the "National Gathering...(NGFJD)" party, this is what I've found. I must make an educated guess here, because I was unable to find anyone who spoke with clear authority
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Really? The exactly same name of the leader did not give you any indication? The exactly same candidacy is also a coincidence? Or does al-Salabi have now two parties, because that is how he rolls? If I had to guess National gathering was just as name suggests, gathering, the foundation of political
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Doubtful, AbdeulHakim Belhaj is long-time ally of Ali al-Sallabi and he announced that he will form political party with him shortly after the fall of Sirte and death of Gaddafi. Also LIMC is not part of this party, for example Sami al-Saadi, one of the commander of LIFG, is candidating for Umma
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Does this mean you withdraw your nomination for deletion? You can't very well both delete and merge. I'd like to see the evidence for your statement that "It is established that both articles deal with one and the same party". As to the name, there is a discussion on that topic at
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we find Belhadj speaking for the LIMC, even using the first-person pronoun "we". Apparently, al-Saadi did not follow Belhadj in his choice for Hizb El Watan, but I don't see how this fact allows drawing further conclusions about the relationship between LIMC and Hizb El Watan.
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They are still one and the same party, the name is same as well and so is membership including the leading figure, just one is in arabic and other in english. November 2011 was date when party formation was announced and April 2012 is when it was registered and established.
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Ok, here is my proposal. It is more or less same as before, but merge this article with National Gathering for Freedom, Justice and Development article which shall be renamed to
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either. I further note that a user's page on the Arabic Knowledge with (apparently) a list of needed articles (
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the Umma party is described as "a group which separated from the Nation Party to form their own party".  --
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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as the names of the political parties should be primarily in English language.
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Content fork, article for the party already exists on this page
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party which resulted in establishment of Wattan Party (
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was founded in November 2011, while the formation of
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