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275:. I have searched the web to find any documentation that these two parties are one in the same, and could find none. Unless Ellsworth can come up with more than a personal undocumented opinion, namely unless he can provide some kind convincing documentation, I can see no reason to delete this article simply because of one contributor's undocumented opinion. Also, I was able to find numerous references to the "Hizb El-Watan ..." party, but scarce few to the "National Gathering...." party. If they are the same party, perhaps the "National Gathering..." article should be deleted and not the "El-Watan article.
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Really? The exactly same name of the leader did not give you any indication? The exactly same candidacy is also a coincidence? Or does al-Salabi have now two parties, because that is how he rolls? If I had to guess
National gathering was just as name suggests, gathering, the foundation of political
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Doubtful, AbdeulHakim Belhaj is long-time ally of Ali al-Sallabi and he announced that he will form political party with him shortly after the fall of Sirte and death of
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