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594:. This article is incomprehensible!!! The topic is a valid topic for a wikipedia entry. However, it looks like the article has been edited and re-edited in a tug of war that left the article in such a state that any decent copyeditor would reject it from any decent publication. It should be started again and written by an unbiased expert in a NPOV and not by a person looking to make political points 520:
article, except for the first one which was basically a forgery by the person who started the article, using a sockpuppet. On the other hand, there is no way around the fact that I have said on the talk page, about 50 times, that the article should not exist, so in order to be consistent I must, again, support deletion.
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I find allegations of bad faith on my part rather disgusting considering I have never been involved with this article in any way before. The number of AfDs an article has survived has no bearing on it's validity for deletion in future AfDs-- I advise you to go ask around about the GNAA article, which
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is falling and, as I mentioned in a comment above, I think this process is inherently corrupted by the three "previous" AfD's that should not "count" because they were bogus. I also think it's interesting that of the "four" AfD's, none have been nominated by anyone who was really involved with the
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had a valid AfD discussion, and now, because some people see this as a "fourth" nomination and oppose it on that basis, this one is tainted as well. Everything about this article, or associated with it, is now inherently corrupted and I don't think there is any way to fix it.
582:.The subject has been defined, discussed, and debated by numerous prominent scholars and public figures, most recently a former president of the United States. There are many good reasons to delete certain articles; that the subject matter is provocative is not one of them.-- 167:. The "Israeli apartheid" analogy has become the subject of extensive discussion since the release of Jimmy Carter's "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid" last year. This is clearly a relevant subject. If the article is flawed, our solution should be to fix it. 440:
SYNT or OR, we solve that by editing the article, not deleting it. Let's face it, the term "Israeli apartheid" is common, whether we like it or not, and whether we agree with the term or not. A quick search from my country of Norway produced
205:- The article is obviously having problems right now but that doesn't make the subject itself non-notable. I've heard the allegations mentioned in mainstream media quite a bit. Also, have you heard of Jimmy Carter? 642:
Add my voice to the chorus. In the past two weeks the article has been rapidly transformed, many would say disfigured, by an ardent and irrepressible editor. He means well, but that is sadly beside the
217:- A bad faith nomination without a leg to stand on, as there is an abundance of sourced material in the article. The problem is POV-pushing, which in itself is not a reason for deletion. 515:
but not per the above nom; rather per all of the many comments I have made on the talk page over the past year. I hesitate to participate in this AfD because it is clear that the
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Clearly, even those who support keeping this article complain about the POV pushing in the article - surly it violates many policies in it's present form including a violation of
570:, a very notable topic (as indicated by a lot of coverage over the years), which deserves a Wikpiedia article. If there are issues with its content, AfD is not the way to go. -- 113: 108: 462:
per Sjakkalle in this, its fourth nomination. I disagree with "pitch 'til you win" tactics where an article is nominated over and over for deletion, and urge the principle of
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Yes, unfortunately the article has been in extra-heavy-edit mode the last two weeks after being essentially stable for months now. I would be happy wholesale reverting to
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figures themselves. POV is mostly from those editors who wish to deny the analogy, or hide or diminish the reliable sources/quotes/uses of the term in the article.
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Just to add, for whatever it's worth, that the third nomination was terminated prematurely and in a disputed manner. I don't believe this article has
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nominations. In fact, the first nomination was by a sockpuppet of the person who created this article, almost immediately after he created it.
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The version that Kendrick7 proposes is much better; cleaner and more balanced. It would be helpful if it is also limited for edition under
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for a year. I am not advocating a full delete just that it is removed from the main wikipedia name space and will be worked on (in a
386: 96: 79: 378: 17: 432:. Huge amount of references backing up the statements, so the nominator will need to point out some examples as to why 629: 676: 43: 532:
Idiotic bad faith nomination. Subject is the subject of numerous works. If you don't like the content, edit it.
445:(UN accuses Israel of Apartheid) from a mainstream newspaper (albeit one with a pro-Labor Party point of view). 675:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
389:. When an article reaches its fourth nomination, it becomes increasingly difficult to assume good faith. - 325: 503:. The article is presently a patchwork, but it covers a legitimate subject. Could use a more NPOV title. 633: 599: 232:- This article must be made NPOV before being published to the public. As it is now it fail to meeet 206: 492: 571: 449: 544:
as deleting it would be a violation of the NPOV the zionists claim they care oh so much about. --
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I object to four nominations for deletion, and think the previous votes should be respected. --
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Legitimate subject, term used often, with plenty of reliable sources including
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and start again. Far too much push-pull between the competing factions.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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I'm not aware of any WP:SYNT or OR issues with the article. --
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Article and discussion is well sourced to reliable sources.
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Note: The first two AfD nominations of this article were
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survived -14- AfDs, but eventually was deleted anyways.
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nominations made by sockpuppets of now-banned editors.
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because of the controversial nature of the topic. --
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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Allegations of Israeli apartheid (Fourth nomination)
deletion review
Bucketsofg
01:14, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Allegations_of_Israeli_apartheid
straw man
Allegations_of_Israeli_apartheid
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
View log
WP:SYNT
Jtrainor
23:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
CJCurrie
00:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Urthogie
00:23, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Kendrick7
00:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
The Behnam
01:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Tarc

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