1027:- there seems to be some confusion as to what the sources in the article are saying, presumably as a result of them being written in Arabic. However, google transalte is able to present perfectly reasonable translations which show that he has played at least 15 matches in fully professional leagues, not the 21 mins noted by several editors above.
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a handful of matches of play in a fully-pro league (detailed by the
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He does technically meet WP:NFOOTBALL, but that only asserts a "presumption" of notability. With only 21 minutes in a single fully professional league game according to his profile I'd want to see a bit of coverage somewhere. Note the Crown Prince Cup games were against lower league sides, I can't
975:, Football fans monitor football AfDs , cycling fans monitor cycling AfDs, Politics followers monitor politics AfDs. It is the way it is, people largely comment on what they know about. That doesn't make it a COI. I have a football interest, but don't plan on declaring that at every AFD.
489:- that is literally his Soccerway profile, it's entirely about him, what on earth do you mean "where exactly he is mentioned"?! Just because the spelling is slightly different is irrelevant. Transliteration from Arabic is notoriously complex.
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I figured that. Perhaps, and end up with talking heads not having a scobie what they are talking about. I take the point. Sorry for mentioning it. It was crass. But, even though it has been pointed out that
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a strong consensus that the GNG is the controlling guideline, while the criteria at NSPORT are useful tools to try to quickly determine the likelihood of an article meeting the GNG.
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That is a sop. Where is the evidence. His
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