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410:, that policy does not apply to this article. The article draws on secondary sources that describe the phrase's existing popularity; it is not an attempt to popularize the phrase. Yes, the phrase "basic bitch" is offensive, but there is no policy that says titles should be censored, either. Compare the many specimens in 764:, but that guideline says: "Neologisms that are in wide use but for which there are no treatments in secondary sources are not yet ready for use and coverage in Knowledge." However, as per Melchoir and Chase, there is enough coverage in secondary sources that prove that this is ready for use and coverage in Knowledge. 600:
It's impossible to decide whether a phrase warrants a Knowledge article without searching for secondary sources covering that particular phrase! It has nothing to do with how popular the phrase is or was. For all you or I know, every one of those phrases does merit an article, and nobody has gotten
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from the 50s. These are just a couple random ones I threw into the search that came to mind, but I'm sure there's more. Point is, there's a much higher propensity to include these fad sayings into wikipedia before they've even had a chance to stand the test of time. I think this article should be
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I'm concerned that some of the negative responses to the article are motivated by the following logic: It's got a naughty word in it, and encyclopedias can't have naughty words, and the whole thing makes me feel bad, so let me think of a plausible-sounding excuse to kill it. Honestly, when I first
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Those other articles are related, but they don't cover the same ground. The references describe "basic bitch" as a female identifier that suggests social and class privilege. Unless I've missed it, those sources don't argue that the phrase (or the people it targets) is synonymous with those other
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Social and class privilege? I've no idea where you're getting that from as the phrase just seems to mean "ordinary woman", which is quite the opposite. The lead tells us that the phrase is ambiguous and so it seems that we don't have a clearly defined topic here. I still don't agree that the
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Let's be precise about the issue. If by "neologism" you mean a phrase coined in the last five years, then yes, it's a phrase coined in the last five years. There is no policy on Knowledge that says we can't or shouldn't have articles on such phrases. If you're referring specifically to
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The nomination complains that this is a neologism and I agree. The slang is a deletion issue because it's the article title, which unacceptably offensive and colloquial. The sources provided are shallow opinion pieces – routine tabloid journalism. The idea that liking
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refers to article content, not article topics, and this article discusses the history of the term and interpretations of it, making it more than merely a dictionary entry. This nomination and the delete !votes reek of
169: 418:, not a delete !vote at AfD.) Finally, the sources vary in how shallow they are; the articles from NYMag, Paper, and The American Reader aren't shallow at all. No one here is advocating that people who like 260: 356:
is a rationale for deletion, but it doesn't apply to this article. It says "articles that contain nothing more than a definition should be expanded with additional encyclopedic content." This article
788:- I waded into this 100% sure it was a non-notable neologism. Actually, I learned that is a notable neologism. Passes GNG from sources already showing in the piece. Nicely done article, by the way. 422:
should be denigrated on that basis. The fact that some people do so is tragic and stupid! But Knowledge shouldn't shy away from describing trends just because they're tragic and stupid.
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The phrase may have been coined recently but the underlying concepts are not new. We already have content for the concept of being an ordinary person at
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saw that the article existed, I expected it to be garbage, too. But it's useful and informative, and there's enough depth in the sources to work with.
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applies to articles that attempt to be primary sources. This article is the opposite: a tertiary source that references secondary sources.
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Why is it when I look up extremely popular phrases from earlier decades, there isn't a wikipedia page dedicated to it?
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Formal tone means that the article should not be written using unintelligible argot, slang, colloquialisms...
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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is a key trait shows what junk this is. We're an encyclopedia, not Urban Dictionary.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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around to writing one yet. Well, we don't need to guess about
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This article has a number of issues. Most prominently
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and not appropriate for inclusion in an Encyclopedia.
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been expanded with additional encyclopedic content.
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