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428:-- "Non-commercial organizations". Within WP:NONPROFIT there is an a+b test ("Organizations are usually notable if they meet both of the following standards:" national/international scope + multiple reliable sources), AND that is followed by a section that says "Additional considerations are" which describes other cases that do not fit within the a+b guidelines but still are notable -- e.g., local organizations with national/int'l coverage; "factors that have attracted widespread attention" which includes longevity, size of membership, major achievements, prominent scandals, or other factors specific to the organization .... (+ independent sources). -- 534: 339:- Does seem to be small according to the article (only 3 chapters) so rather local; but the organization is getting on to 50 years old, and it was an Asian American Greek organization begun at a time when those were exceedingly rare; and it has continued to this day. I would give those two factors enough weight under 460:
I haven't tried to find sources, so it's a bit presumptuous to say I can't show them (or they can't be shown). Have you tried to find sources and been unable to? Your nomination does not make that clear. If sources exist but are simply not in the article, AND it otherwise meets some criteria in
469:'s application here or my thoughts on it, by all means say so. If your beef is simply the sources, then is it that (a) sources can NOT be found, because you have tried, or (b) no sources currently exist in the article? -- 391:
says under "Additional considerations". These need to be "reported by independent sources" of course. Based on the facts of the organization, without looking for RS, these additional considerations support keeping, IMO.
170: 250: 164: 125: 230: 206: 130: 98: 93: 102: 465:, then that's a reason to slate the article for improvement; not deletion for lack of notability. If you've got a problem with 361:: this is neither a national group, nor is it "verified by multiple, third-party, independent, reliable sources," also known as 85: 17: 185: 213:, a local fraternity of this sort must have its notability established by third party sources: here, no such sources exist. 152: 442:...and yet, you can show no independent sources, which are still required under your most generous interpretation of the 379:
Well, that's the two-part test and I don't argue that this org passes based on the two-part test (I haven't done the
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Completely unverified and unsourced, and apparently not notable. A Google search turned up nothing independent;
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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I'm confused. You !vote keep based on the presence of alternate tests other than
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
410:, but you aren't able to show that the topic satisfies the alternate tests?-- 311:
to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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to keep it for now, and try to solicit some interest in improvement. --
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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search myself, though). What I am saying is that there are
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