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I ask mainly because I can access these articles. If you're making a case for the subject's notability, simply having a name show up in search proves very little. Many of the articles about him (if it is indeed him) are very brief—tough to tell what's about him and what's about his company, and where
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requirement." The creator deprodded this with the edit summary of "Winter was one of the largest real estate speculators in New York City in the early 1900s". This is not related to any GNG/BIO guideline. He was a successful businessmen, but being rich is not enough to be notable (except the top
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mentions, they're these really small paragraphs and I imagine they're from a briefs section of some sort, though I can't see them in situ. All in all, there's enough to write a full article about this man, his eponymous company, and their activities, so it's fine by
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New York Times: "HOTEL HERMITAGE BOUGHT BY WINTER; Parcel Adjoining Seventh Av. and Forty-second St. Sold by Greenwich Savings Bank. MORTGAGE AT 4% GIVEN Times Square Neighborhood on Upward Trend, With Many Improvements Under
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Jr. fits into all this. As for whether the guy was actually well known, I don't know. These are just little listings and reports of buildings that were bought/sold. Right now the article looks like it has been
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I am the author. There are 577 articles referencing Benjamin WInter in the New York Times archives nearly all of them from the 1920s, the 1930s, and 1940s and applying to the aforementioned. *
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I prodded this with the following rationale, which I believe is still valid: "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing
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billionaires). Rich businessmen must still generate coverage in other sources, and I am not seeing anything here outside a few passing mentions and paid notices such as obituaries.
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There are dozens of the little ones, if that's what you mean, and accessible only behind a paywall (ProQuest). Similarly, the
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mention above—it's a several-column spread across pages 12 and 13 about Winter's life and business. As for the
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Benjamin Winter, one of the largest and most active real estate operators during the boom days in Manhattan".
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Note to closer, article should be moved to drop the "Sr." when this is over, as its common name
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Could you add those sources to the article as external links or further reading? --
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Supreme City: How Jazz Age Manhattan Gave Birth to Modern America
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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