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Bitcoin Magazine is a separate legal entity from Buterin. Bitcoin Magazine is currently owned by BTC Media, which Buterin has no role. The fact that Buterin was an early co-founder of this magazine is not that relevent at this present day in time. Bitcoin Magazine lives on as a brand owned by
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Bitcoin Magazine is not the only one. It also acts a
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reminder to us editors to be strict on sources, since sometimes this stuff gets copied and assumed to be fact... if only they knew ;-) Thanks again!
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