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Your other points aren't backed up with proof. In this process, the onus is on editors who want to keep an article to provide proof of their claims. If you can provide a source for the statement that The
Briefing generates sales of more than 5,000 (freesheets don't count), then I will change my vote.
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as per Ta bu shi da yu and what I have said on the first deletion debate. Although I would add that if Gordon Cheng is worthy of inclusion, some other notable
Christian authors in the Sydney Diocese (like Tony Payne and John Dickson (especially the latter)) deserve articles too. Thanks to everyone
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I looked at that link when researching my vote. Nowhere in the article does the Herald give the impression it thinks he is "he is a notable spokesperson for the
Anglican church in Sydney". It quotes him because on the forum debate the article discusses, his was the lone dissenting voice.
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is circulated to way more readers than that. He has a great deal of influence over the readership as he writes a great deal of editorial content. Gordon has also created several evangelistic aids. Basically, Gordon is extremely notable in his sphere of influence, that is,
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is not in the habit of just quoting non-notable bloggers and chat posters. The only time I have ever seen them do this was when a sport scandal erupted, and a riot happened in
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536:. A search of an Australia/New Zealand database came up with 26 hits for "Gordon Cheng" in relation to his role in the Sydney Anglican Church. This makes him notable enough for mine as well as verifiable.
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I don't know whether the Herald quotes unnotable bloggers as a matter of course, but it does so three times (apart from Mr Cheng) during the course of the article you cited.
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