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517:. A better idea would be to re-create it when he does make the first team, at Old Trafford or elsewhere. In fact, at www.manutd.com, he's not listed in the first team profiles, or the reserve squad profiles (although only 10 players are listed there). He's just shown on the Academy profiles, along with 23 others. 654:
We appear to have an odd discrepancy in that a player is regarded as part of the squad, and therefore to be included in the squad template and list on the club's article, by virtue of receiving a number, but the threshold for having an article is higher. However, until this is resolved, we just need
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I still can't believe the decision on the Gavin Hoyte AfD! Normal practice, however, is that a player needs to make an appearance in a fully professional league before being declared notable. Welbeck is still quite a way from that distinction, and as I said above, is not treated as a member of
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He's in the first team squad currently and touted as a great prospect. Just because he hasn't played for the senior team that doesn't mean he shouldn't be listed otherwise most articles in the MUFC Reserves and Academy page would be deleted. I really do not get the problem with his article being
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Ok im not used to the discussions and already established rules but in the notability guide it says that althletes must play a competitive game before an article is created. Has it yet been established if youth tournaments and under 18 football is a competitive game?
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part of a national youth team squad, so highest level for that age group. MU reserves probably have have a higher notability than other professional players lower down the divisions. We will probably know in a year if he makes the first team, (seems a hot tip
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Knowledge is not a collection of unverifiable speculation. All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable, and the subject matter must be of sufficiently wide interest that it would merit an article if the event had already occurred.
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Re the Question from Crassic. Hoyte hasn't actually played for Arsenal, but Wellbeck has played fot Man Utd, all though this was a friendly. If he was named on the bench for United's next game, does that mean he suddeny becomes notable?
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Having a squad number does not meet the criteria. Whoever makes predictions, it still comes under WP:CRYSTAL. Youth internationals do not confer notability. When/if he plays, the article gains its validity: until then, it lacks it.
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Just a quick question, don't take it the wrong way. How is Gavin Hoyte any more important than Danny Welbeck? They both have equal first-team appearances, but the only difference is the importance of the match they have appeared in.
335:. Manchester United is a professional team in the Premier League, and this individual is a member of their first string, right? That sounds to me like he is a professional athlete at the highest level, which would be a Keep. From 384:
I've struck it - I took the source to indicate that he would be a starter, that doesn't appear to be the case. My point on the fact that the future event (playing on a pro team) is verifiable (the source does say that) stands.
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Regardless of what the official website says, Sir Alex Ferguson himself stated that Welbeck was to be considered a member of the first team until at least the end of the season. –
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I'd say he is definitely long odds-against to get a game for Manchester United this season. After that, who knows. In my opinion, a clear cut case of
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a) It has been general practice to dismiss Youth internationals as non-notable (Gavin Hoyte excepted), and b) your argument reminds me strongly of
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either the first team squad or reserve squad at the club's official website, despite the apparent allocation of a number. -
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In the first team squad having recently been given a squad number. Also in the manchester evening news article (
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/manchester_united/s/1033887_fergie_backing_for_welbeck
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Withdrawing vote, as I'm not sure that playing with a premiership team in a friendly is really sufficient.
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Still in the stages of creating/expanding it. Unlikely to gain significant info quickly as stated above.
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here. Knowledge is for information surely and this isn't inaccurate or badly written. Leave it ffs.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Just because he hasn't played for the senior team that doesn't mean he shouldn't be listed
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first team. This is the same situation that Danny Welbeck is in (he is Man Utd's #47). –
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both imminent (he will likely play in the next game as a member of the first squad) and
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is where it mentions his step up. The wesite simply won't have been updated recently.
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Meets guidelines for biographies of athletes, as he's played at professional level.
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otherwise most articles in the MUFC Reserves and Academy page would be deleted
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played at a professional level, only in reserve/non-competitive matches.....
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He has not yet played competitive football in a fully professional league.
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verifiable (as the source cited confirms this). Therefore, I don't think
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
706:: thank you for drawing attention to them. I'll have a look. 331:. Someone tell me if I'm reading this wrong, as my football is 168:. All professional athletes in major sports are notable per 128: 124: 120: 79:
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No further edits should be made to this page. 685:Life is great...if you support Manchester United 284:he has not played in a fully professional league 84:Articles for deletion/Danny Welbeck (footballer) 8: 370:- that isn't in fact likely at all..... 344:In this case, the anticipated event is 71: 593:- I thought the reason for undeleting 430:Seems to meet notability standards. -- 149:is appearance in a competitive match 7: 655:to be willing to have a mixture of 74:Articles for deletion/Danny Welbeck 69: 24: 499:) So defer debate for a year. -- 206:currently just scrapes through 18:Knowledge:Articles for deletion 1: 769:01:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC) 754:00:38, 7 February 2008 (UTC) 738:00:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC) 716:20:23, 6 February 2008 (UTC) 693:18:42, 6 February 2008 (UTC) 669:22:28, 3 February 2008 (UTC) 650:20:41, 3 February 2008 (UTC) 636:20:25, 3 February 2008 (UTC) 624:18:59, 3 February 2008 (UTC) 609:18:41, 3 February 2008 (UTC) 586:16:56, 2 February 2008 (UTC) 569:15:53, 2 February 2008 (UTC) 545:15:45, 2 February 2008 (UTC) 531:14:00, 1 February 2008 (UTC) 509:13:51, 1 February 2008 (UTC) 488:12:36, 1 February 2008 (UTC) 469:15:06, 31 January 2008 (UTC) 440:14:37, 31 January 2008 (UTC) 414:14:37, 31 January 2008 (UTC) 396:13:53, 31 January 2008 (UTC) 380:13:49, 31 January 2008 (UTC) 363:13:44, 31 January 2008 (UTC) 324:13:33, 31 January 2008 (UTC) 307:08:18, 31 January 2008 (UTC) 275:07:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC) 254:04:20, 31 January 2008 (UTC) 238:02:54, 31 January 2008 (UTC) 220:02:34, 31 January 2008 (UTC) 197:01:59, 1 February 2008 (UTC) 183:02:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC) 159:01:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC) 57:19:32, 8 February 2008 (UTC) 803: 448:Which ones? 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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
deletion review
John Vandenberg
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19:32, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Danny Welbeck
Articles for deletion/Danny Welbeck
Articles for deletion/Danny Welbeck (2nd nomination)
Articles for deletion/Danny Welbeck (footballer)
Danny Welbeck
edit
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history
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notability
Kevin McE
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01:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
WP:BIO
Pburka
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02:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
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