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I still can't believe the decision on the Gavin Hoyte AfD! Normal practice, however, is that a player needs to make an appearance in a fully professional league before being declared notable. Welbeck is still quite a way from that distinction, and as I said above, is not treated as a member of
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part of a national youth team squad, so highest level for that age group. MU reserves probably have have a higher notability than other professional players lower down the divisions. We will probably know in a year if he makes the first team, (seems a hot tip
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