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342:, and that long-established see will be notable. There are similar aspects to some professorial chairs. However a "college" these days often means no more than a brass plate on the door and a dubious, if not downright fraudulent, self-appointed claim to now be a "college". Although I would even agree that all "real colleges" are notable (such a college has been made notable by its required recognition from its degree-awarding body), there are far too many "fake colleges" around to take a college's own word for its bona fides. We need, as per general WP requirement, some reliable 3rd party sourcing. 52:. There is broad, but not universal, consensus that certain kinds of topics (e.g. villages and towns) are always notable, but there is less consensus as to what this means in terms of the GNG. Are such topics notable because multiple, independent, reliable sources are virtually certain to exist even if only off-line, or should our coverage of certain topics be comprehensive even in the absence of sources that meet the GNG definition of notability (While noting that 268:. Now for high schools and upwards we have a general assumption that such establishements will be notable, but that's still not beyond challenge. In this case we have no hard sourcing that the place exists as a real school or institute, just one self-published source. For an Indian educational establishment (with all the self-serving puffery, plagiarism and downright lying that implies) that's just not enough. 319:- I find it difficult to reconcile those subjects which have inherent notability from the clear statements in Wikipedias notability guidelines. Why Colleges, schools, Bishops, Professors should all enjoy this automatic elevation to notability does not seem , to me at least, justifiable. This one in particular is neither referenced and is barely a stub. 56:
is an irreducible criterion for inclusion)? In any event, this article meets the community standard as an accredited tertiary educational institution. The consensus below is that it is not a fraudulent "degree-mill" but a "real college" and that that is enough to justify retention.
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If this institution doesn't exist then it is incapable of self-serving puffery, plagiarism and downright lying. Please try to make your arguments logically consistent.
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By "exist" of course I mean "exist as an accredited educational institution", rather than just being someone with a website and a printer of degree certificates.
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Higher education institutions are inherently notable. The problem with this article is a lack of independent references (so tag it as
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Contested prod. Unreferenced for over two years. No indication of any notability
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I can understand it for bishops - a bishop is an appointed candidate to a
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Nothing is "inherently notable", it all has to meet
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This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (
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