Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Emily J. Hilscher

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users (some in favor of keeping, others in favor of deletion) seem to have confused notability with meaningfulness or worth as a human being. For example, one person arguing for deletion stated that "She didn't do anything meaningful and didn't even die meaningfully; she is, was, and forever will be no one"- Knowledge notability has nothing to do with whether someone's life was "meaningful", whether the person "died meaningfully" or whether the person is "no one". I don't pretend to know what makes a life meaningful or to know what it means to die meaningfully, but I do know that it has nothing to do with Knowledge inclusion standards. Knowledge inclusion is not the test for whether or not one has succeeded in life or whether the person's life was meaningful. There is no "sola Knowledge" or something similar. Too often we get caught up in paying too much attention to what occurs on this project. Let us not forget that there is a wider world out there and let's show some respect for the dead.

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victims. Sure, their names have popped up in plenty of books, but are they notable on their own? That seems to be the question. By the most literal interpretation of Knowledge's standards, (i.e., "multiple, non-trivial sources") it would appear that they are. This is an open debate, not your own personal torch to carry. It is very likely that this young lady's name will appear alongside the names of all the other victims in countless books to come, and that is the sole reason why I am voting the way I am. It has nothing to do with memorializing, and shame on anyone who would presume that to be the only motive behind a vote to keep or merge. It has only to do with an accurate reflection of history, and an interest in being thorough.

2223:. Hilscher was the first victim in the biggest school shooting in the history of the United States. There might not be much information about her right now but as investigators uncover more information there might be something to add. There are many stub articles on Knowledge that are as short or shorter than this one and they are not being deleted. Hilscher is significant to the Virginia Tech massacure and there should be an article on her. In response to Smooth0707, if her family did want the page deleted than it should be deleted. But the truth is that Knowledge articles are probobly the last thing on their mind right now and they could probobly care less. Thats my two cents.-- 3376:. The news media is spiraling her notability from being a victim in the nation's worst shooting spree to perhaps even greater importance. Her picture has been the main image on CNN.com all day. I do agree that Knowledge articles should not be a memorial for the victims, as it is of course an encyclopedia. It seems that many of those voting to keep are doing so purely out of sympathy for Emily Hilscher. It also seems apparent that deleting this article is a very hasty action, and if the article is deleted, it seems more than likely that it will be reestablished in the near future as Emily Hilscher's notability rises. -- 48:. This was a difficult AfD, but I am happy with the by and large civil discussion that took place in a contentious and emotional topic. The main reasoning was 1) at the end there was a roughlly 2/3rds majority in favor of deletion and that majority becomes even stronger when one removes very new users and IPs. 2) As a policy matter, the deletion arguments were stronger. Claims that she was a motivation behind the killings and not simply the first unlucky person seem to have little basis and if they turn out to be true, a separate article can always be recreated. If, as with 1152:(which has also been nominated for deletion)? These AfDs are putting the editors of the original VT massacre article into a cruel predicament where they spin off daughter articles as the main article continues to grow and grow and grow but each of those daughter articles are themselves nominated for deletion. Meanwhile, others (rightfully) complain that the original article is was too long and contents should be moved out into daughter articles. Not only does the right hand not know what the left hand is doing, they're actively working against one another. :) -- 4532:. Second, I point this out because it appears there have been a lot of anonymous IPs who are only voting in this AfD with ostensibly no prior experience here. Don't get me wrong, I think people should be able to edit Knowledge without having to sign up, and I'm not trying to devalue people's opinions because they lack accounts, but it does seem like people are being led here simply to vote (and before you write my concerns off as a "conspiracy theory," take note that this is a pretty common problem with high-profile AfDs). 647:. She's the first victim, and really nothing more. Other than shoddy initial reporting that she was a girlfriend to Cho, which seems borderline impossible (especially considering her real boyfriend was questioned and in custody of officials), there is nothing about her that seperates her from the other victims. If not for bad reports, she's just the first person (however tragically) killed. She isn't the "spark" to this incident, at most she was an object of obsession for the killer. 4158:, not a scrap piece of internet where every tidbit needs to be repeated. I would be happy to switch my vote once the article has something of unique encyclopedic value that is independent of the massacre or not directly related (for example, if a scholarship was named after her as a result). It is much more informative for readers to have the present content in context of the main article(s); not as a small independent article. And if you really really do want to keep, please justify 3648:: "Delete" is such a harsh word and is messing w/ people emotions/reactions to the "deletion". No disrespect, but the girl isn't notable for an article without other content that is (a) unrelated to the massacre; and (b) of interesting encyclopedic value. The majority of the content at present (with the exception of the first paragraph) is about the VT massacre, therefore this qualifies as a redirect back to that article and explained there. The article at present is proving this. 4653:

think people should probably hold off on deleting until everything plays out as she can wind up being prominent not just as the first victim in the worst school shooting in American history, but also because of possible connections with the murderer or even having potentially been warned, but if nothing else, the police are looking into her as news whereas I don't recall hearing anything similar about other victims. I hope that helps. --

1729:: I don't know if this has been brought up already (I don't have time to go through all the votes and reasonings), but if you keep this article, then you should also allow articles on the other 26 students who were killed. From what I've seen, Knowledge generally doesn't keep articles on individual shooting victims unless they have done something noteworthy beforehand or have garnered media attention after the fact, such as 365:- Yes, that's why I explicitly stated in my !vote that "Although it isn't an acceptable reason for a keep vote..." In a similar fashion, the nominator's mention of Ryan C. Clark is equally as poor justification. I still think it fulfills notability, it has "multiple non-trivial published works that are reliable and independent of the subject." The fact that a single event made her notable seems wholly irrelevant. -- 2995:, for all of the overhwelming keep reasons given. Her name will have a place in history and is relevant; it's the FIRST victim of the worst school shooting in U.S. history, not the 13th or something. The bloodbath begins with her and that is notable. As films and stuff are made, this will be expanded with who played her what books were written about her, etc. So deletionism in this case is way too premature. -- 74: 3854:

costing us anything or diluting the quality of information available. Unless it's misleading or inaccurate, I really don't see how removing this entry does anyting besides reduce the total amount of information available to those who are interested in this subject. We don't need to play the role of information gatekeeper without a better reason than "people might consider this irrelevant eventually."

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specific stories that are being told of heroism. She, on the other hand, was merely the first victim, and that is it. If more details emerge (such as, she tried to stop him, or something), then an article MAY be worth creating, but for now, it just isn't. It is tragic, and I am still sickened by the events of that day, but emotion cannot get in the way of making these kinds of decisions. --

4619:- she was the first victim so was notable for being involved in the beginning of this whole incident. I notice the first victim of Columbine has their own article and according to what I've heard there were less people killed or wounded there. Whatever about her not having her own article, couldn't all the victims be merged together on one page at least? -- 4345:, which was similar in terms of public notoriety and also involved a sizeable number of deaths, but not so many that it's impractical to list them. The short bios about the people who died in that disaster seem to indicate a precedent that this kind of information is different from a "memorial" due to the importance of event that it's attached to. 822:

them, so there must be something in the news about them. And about the gardener of the father-in-law of the ex-babysitter of the ex-boyfriend of the elementary school classmate of the intervening friend because in case he doesn't know a thing, he hasn't followed the news and that's quite noteworthy with respect to such an event. And about... --

5161:; she's not notable at all. How is she notable? She didn't do anything meaningful and didn't even die meaningfully; she is, was, and forever will be no one, because she didn't do anything notable. Being killed in a shooting is NOT grounds for a Knowledge article. Moreover, Knowledge is not a memorial, as per its relevant policies. 3929:. I'm sorry for the loss, but people are obviously being too emotional right now to understand any of Knowledge's policies. I also face deaths and losses, but I'm not compelled to keeping a memorial here; they don't deserve the treatment people are giving right now to the said victim. Let it go, people. Get on with your lives. 1972:. There is sufficient information for Knowledge purposes on the massacre main page, in the victim list, & in the article on Cho. Furthermore some of the info on this article is unverified rumor & speculation: there is no known connection between Hilscher & Cho prior to his murder of her. (See article on Cho). -- 3910:

of being a little over-inclusive than under-inclusive. That's one of the main advantages that this format has over traditional media, and it's silly not to take advantage of it. There's a difference between this and some idiot who makes a page about his friend just because he thinks it'd be cool to see his name here.

3327:, and what about all of the victims of September 11th, should we have a seperate page for each one of them as well. The only thing that makes this girl noteable is that she was a victim. We created a special section for individual articles after September 11th, perhaps we should consider the same in this instance. 4931:

in a case like this really is the consensus it may simplify some of the N discussions now going on, because this seems to be clearly saying that being the subject of independent feature articles in 2 major newspapers is not always enough for N. This unmistakably indicates we cannot combine the rules,

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article. So will other papers, which will provide many more than the necessary two sources. There is obviously no real consensus about whether 2 RS are all that is needed for N, regardless of the subject. The rules seem to say so, some people seem to think so, many of the people here do not agree. If

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But this is totally different than the Challenger disaster; everybody who died aboard the Challenger had something notable about them other than having died in the accident (whether it was accomplishments before the disaster or something posthumous). Emily Hilscher is not too much more notable right

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You seem to be setting the bar needlessly high; while this is information isn't central to the main story, it's certainly not useless. I tend to think that since Knowledge isn't constrained by resources like print space or airtime, if something is borderline newsworthy, it's better to err on the side

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Frankly, if there's going to be a page for someone like Cho, there should be a page for each of his victims. Cho wanted to live on forever, much like the killers of Columbine. Either keep Emily's page and don't make him as special as the people he killed, or delete his too. Don't let him be notorious

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Completely non-notable, especially since it appears now that there is no relation between her and the shooter. Even if there will be a 'related motive' later on, I highly doubt it will be anything that revolves around her enough to warrant a complete biography on her life - it's more appropriate as a

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books, movies, etc. will be made about this tragic event and so increasingly over time her story will grow as will the sources and relevance of her place in this aspect of history. Moreover, at least for the time being, people will want to learn more about these people and so deleting this will do a

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articles about her friend who intervened what may have started the killing. And about her parents because they were interviewed about the relationship (though sadly, they seem to have known nothing). And about the parents of the intervening friend--at least the local media is sure to have interviewed

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of it. So yes she is notable. also according to the bbc he didn't write the note until after he killed her and the dorm resident. maybe it wasn't even planned. either way it goes once the dust settles, if this page is deleted, it will be recreated once there are concrete evidence of her involvment. --

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Well according to news reports(including bbc news on the bbc world channel) they knew each other, and a disagreement between them might have started it. again this is not a memorial, she was the first and according to this credible source(which I rely on for editing) she could have been in the center

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I was hapy to consider keeing it while everyone thought she might be the shooter's girlfriend, but she didn't even know him, so her article should be deleted. Anyway there are a lot of people who want to keep the "List of victoms" article. I can't really imagine what else it'll say asaide from the

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territory, I think it's important to note that victims of many less notable violent crimes are well-represented on Knowledge, many of whose articles have withstood AfD debates, even if books haven't been written about them. Paul Bernardo's victims, Laci Peterson, and every once of Jack the Ripper's

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the first victim of the shooting then fine, the only notable information about her is "Emily Hilscher - first shooting victim" which can be accomplished in a single line on the main Virginia Tech Shooting page. What else about her, including anything "reported" in these "news headlines" is notable?

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each have their own articles, but they have achieved a level of notability beyond (albeit connected to) the circumstances of their deaths through a book and an outreach program, respectively. I will fully support a new article for Hilscher once she receives some kind of notability other than having

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It does seem that she was the major motivation behind this event. If that is indeed the case, she's certainly notable. The article should definitely be kept atleast until this is clearly determined. If she was in fact not involved with the assailment (as seems to be the case), and there was no other

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On Fox News earlier today (around 2 PM Eastern Time), the reporter mentioned that police are looking into evidence that Cho may have emailed her warning of the attack and the police want to review his AND HER internet records. So, her noteworthiness in this fiasco may be increasing as I type and I

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Ad hominem arguments are unnecessary and you have no idea how many edits that person has made. But you want to go down that road, fine; answer us this: Why would you or others be wasting so much time and energy taking a stand against this article instead of cleaning out all of the thousands of far

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is not a justification. If an article is not in line with wikipedia policy, the existence of similar articles does not justify it. Come to think of it that article will probably go up for AFD now as well. I might nominate it later if I have time. When a 6 year old hits someone, and uses "he did

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As has been said many times, the article doesn't meet the criteia (I hate the term "she fails to meet" as it implies some fault on her part). The article itself is basically a stub and the info is already presented in at least two articles already. This article is basically a memorial, which is not

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It's interesting that the killers are almost always given their own article but rarely the victims. Go watch Phone Booth and you'll know what I mean. Regardless, she's the first victim and possibly even the catalyst of the bloodiest US school massacre in like, forever? Yeah, definitely strong keep.

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Textbook for exactly what is wrong with wikipedia. Subject is notable only because she was killed. Should we make a page for every victim of every crime committed everyday in America? My car was keyed last night, i'm going to make a page about myself being the first victim of the mysterious "Car

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Wikipedeia is not a memorial with articles for everyone who is murdered. The university police thought her murder was a non-notable domestic event until the killer shot people inthe classrooms a couple of hour later. In spree killing articles, the victims names are often listed in the main article,

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The girl was not in a relationship with the killer, reportedly didn't even know him, and is just one of 31 people killed. She is the first in the timeline, but there is no need for her own page. Are we going to have an individual page for each victim? I highly doubt it, and this page would just end

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As Phoeba Wright mentioned, pointing out anonymous IPs whose only contributions have been to the AfD in question is standard Knowledge procedure. I wasn't implying that you're an inadequate editor and that therefore your opinion doesn't matter; I was only pointing it out because (as implied by the

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Your argument is entirely invalid. You're basically saying she deserves an article so Cho doesn't "win," but Knowledge doesn't work that way. For better or worse, Cho is noteworthy enough for his own article, but Hilscher isn't, at least not by Knowledge's standards. If we create an article for

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But what exactly are these "headlines" reporting? Nothing notable, they're nothing more than memorials/obituaries about their lives. The CNN headline (reported by AJ24) is simply a picture, and they have the same memorial/obituaries for ALL victims of the shooting. If notability comes from being

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without need for any emotionality or denial. Two independent sources primarily about her already, probably more by tomorrow. Furthermore she is notable individually as being killed separately at the start, and can reasonably be assumed to have had a different role in the insanity than most of the

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We don't know enough yet (and may never know) whether she was just an unfortunate target of opportunity or was purposely targeted as a specific individual. If the latter, then she'd warrant an article if sufficient verifiable information about that fact could be obtained. Both the creation of the

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That is not a valid argument to keep the article. Yes, she was the first victim in the worst shooting to date. So, if in 2 years time, a shooting occurs where more people are murdered, is she still notable? The professors are notable because they have done things beyond just the shooting, and have

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I disagree about the Ryan C. Clark issue. OTHERCRAPEXISTS doesn't apply here. The nominator doesn't appear to have been saying delete this because Ryan C. Clark was deleted (which is a poor argument) but that the AFD for Ryan C. Clark provides many arguments for why the article on him was deleted

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she becomes notable, then we can easily recreate the page. In general, per long-standing policy, victims of crimes are not notable simply for being victims, and at this point there is no reason to think that there is anything else occuring in this case. However, one point must be made clear: some

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It seems to me that the people who need to "get on with their lives" are the ones who are so vehement about deleting this single page, when there are so many other pages on Knowledge that are so blatantly less relevant than this one. If those people really cared about the principles they are so

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If Knowledge is supposed to be a tool for compiling human knowledge in a more comprehensive and navigable fashion than was previously possile in other media, what is the point of eliminating this article? It's merely a link that people can follow for more information if they choose, and it's not

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As has been stated before (though I don't blame you for not having read it since this is a huge AfD), two of the Columbine victims have their own articles because they became particularly notable beyond just having died in a school shooting; one inspired a nationwide campaign, and the other was

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No offence, but if people do not understand what delete means in this situation then they should not be casting opinion. The point of these pages is to discuss policy... if people do no know policy i see no reason for them to be discussing it. Delete is also exactly what should happen. A merger

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all you guys below please don't put words in my mouth, i didn't say here that they were in love. I don't know either one of them. but on the bbc news channel which is not a tabloid type of channel as far as i know, they said that it might have revolved around her, that's all. And as for the US

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There are 2 RS newspaper articles on her now to meet the present technical requirements for N. (& there will be more, since both the Washington Post & the NY Times are doing a feature article on each one of them. -- these papers think that each individual victim is appropriate for an

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That's all well and good, but keep in mind that Knowledge is not a crystal ball. We can't keep an article that fails to meet any criteria and is basically a stub representing information that is currently stated on other more appropriate articles simply because she might hypotehtically end up

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is hardly "irrelevant." I can't vouch for the Star Wars characters because I'm not a follower of that series and therefore can't verify their relevance, but really, it seems like most people who are voting to keep are doing so with misguided, emotion-fueled motives--suggesting that Hilscher

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People die violently every day. The truth in these words is tragic I know, but in a month at most everyone will forget about her completely. Truth of the matter is that while events are remembered, names are not. She did not do anything notable. She just happened to be the first victim.

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or are mentioned in describing the sequence of events, since these tragedies unfold over time and space and there may be interactions between the killer and victims which affect the sequence of events (unlike most plane crashes or terrorist bombings where the names are generally not listed.

422:. All this states is that "Subjects of encyclopedia articles must be notable besides being fondly remembered." The article is not about her being fondly remembered, and the sources talk about her beyond being fondly remembered. She's noteable for something beyond being fondly remembered. so 2496:

Subject was initially considered to be at the heart of the matter. This has since been disproven, but that doesn't change the fact that her name was all over everywhere until it was. The media coverage of the conjecture, combined with her being the first victim, combined with the general

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etc AFDs which provided argument which apply here then it would be a similar thing but you're just mentioning the existance of the article which isn't a good argument. As mentioned by someone else below, most of the arguments for the existance or Rachel Scott etc likely don't apply here.

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is concerned, being a religious (and, some say, cult) leader with numerous followers who believe him to be the reincarnation of Christ and a supposed ministry presence in twenty countries is far more notable than being the first of thirty-three people to die in a particular incident.

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It's not an appropriate comparison because those two Columbine victims have had entire books written about them. Is that the case for this woman? Not yet. In the future, if she is covered in the same way those victims are, she'll have her article, too. For now, it's just too

4032:"deserves" an article because she died in a very tragic way. It's sad, but that doesn't mean we should write a Knowledge article for her. Also, it's worth noting that the above anonymous IP user has a grand total of two edits as of this posting: the vote here and a comment at 1536:

Those two victims became notable in their own right well after the slayings took place. If Hilscher becomes the inspiration for books and organizations as Scott and Bernall did, then we can write an article about her. For now, however, the article should be deleted. See

2695:: She's not too notable a person, apparently, and if all the article is going to become is a footnote about a person killed by another person related to another article referencing a recent event (wow what a run-on sentence), we should just merge it with the main article 239:

Not notable beyond the event of her death. We've gone through this on numerous others. Unless she had something which made her notable before her death she is just a section of the main article as the initial victim. Also, at this point, much is speculation. See the

3315:, because there is still more information being released daily and she may have significance of being the first victim and perhaps first targetted victim. People WILL want to read up on her, especially in the immediate future. Don't jump the deltion gun! Cheers! -- 3757:

Hilscher just based on the fact that her murderer has one, too, we have to create an article for every victim of a spree or serial killer, and that's ridiculous. I'd also like to point out that this anonymous IP's only wiki contribution has been to vote in this AfD.

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Just as a note, while Ad Hominem is discouraged on wikipedia, it's standard practice to point out editors with extremely low edit counts on AfDs, especially when their only edits are on the subject of the AfD. Also, please sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~)

1243:: Although this is truely one of the most tragic school related incidents, Knowledge is not an obituary. There have been many victims of shootings, but we do not create articles for every single person. She shouldn't have priority over the 31 other victims killed. 966:

Anything in this that may be of value needs to be moved to Cho's page. Later on, if they release a lot of his writing and we find proof that she was a major part of his motives, then remake the article with that information. If not, no seperate article is needed.

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I haven't seen any credible American media reports that Hilscher knew Cho, let alone that they were dating, so any statements to this effect are only speculation at this point in time. I would rather delete this page now than keep it and spread false information.

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She is not notable enough for her own article. Perhaps a mention in the Cho article, OR a specific mention in the Massacre page, but not her own article. As sad as it is that she died, she simply isn't notable enough for inclusion in an encyclopedia. --

4150:: I think the people arguing for "keep" really haven't critically thought this through, and are a bit hypocritical as the state of the article has not been significantly added to in the past day. All of the information I presently see in this article 4501:

Get off your conspiracy theory high horse. Some of us read and use Knowledge without doing much else with it. Just because this is something that interests people who usually do not get into this stuff doesn't mean you should devalue our opinions.

1255:: She might not have been notable in life, but she might turn out to be the first victim in the worst shooting incident in US history; I say keep until it is proven that her death in the dorm and the massacre in Norman Hall were unrelated incidents. 4018:? With Knowledge stuffed with articles such as those, how can anyone keep a straight face while arguing that this article about a real person who was murdered in one of the worst episodes of violence in American history doesn't belong on Knowledge? 3770:

There Jeff goes again with the ad hominem attacks. When someone must resort to that, you know their arguments are weak - especially those that consist of "Your argument is entirely invalid" (universally recognized as a substitute for substance).

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So how is listing her any different than listing the first American soldier killed in the Gulf War and similar (yeah, it exists). Articles for those people are often HUGE, fileld of completely meaningless information. But apparently that's

4800:. Yes, her death was tragic and deserves a memorial, but Knowledge is not the place for that; and there appears to be nothing particularly notable about her over any of the other victims. If, by the time this AFD is up, no actual, useful 4936:

have 2 independent RS and also meet some additional notability criterion, whatever that may be. That's what the delete opinions above are saying. I don't say this is wrong, but I do wonder if this is proposed as a general rule for WP.

2544: 4891:. We don't keep an article simply because a person may become noteable in the future. If the story develops and she is notable for rather reason, we can recreated or undelete the article. This is the way things are supposed to work. 4858:. We don't keep an article simply because a person may become noteable in the future. If the story develops and she is notable for rather reason, we can recreated or undelete the article. This is the way things are supposed to work. 5046:

The only thing obvious is that you're out of your mind, there are nearly DOUBLE the amount of deletes than keeps, and the majority of the keeps cite the fact that there is other crap that is non-notable on wikipedia, so why not add

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and, as such, nothing should be reported about her beyond the details related specifically to her notability. That said, there is not enough viable information to warrant an article of its own. This is just one aspect of the

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up being a quasi-memorial to her. All of the reports about her relationship with Cho have proven to be false, so there is no need to keep attempting to pull her into a melodramatic fictional story about an angry ex-boyfriend.

4484:, this anonymous IP has only one edit so far, and that's the aforementioned "vote." I think it's becoming obvious that people are being directed to come here and vote from a website or forum in order to shift the consensus. 1092:

She is the first victim in THE worst school shooting in U.S. history and as the event continues to play out on the media her unfortunate notoriety will continue to grow, especially because it's a sure thing that barring the

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now than the other victims, and the only facts for which she stands out from them--that she was the first one killed and that the police initially suspected she had a relationship with Cho--could easily be mentioned in the

406:: Scott and Bernall became (arguably) notable after their deaths due to various projects which they inspired, not simply because of how they died; Cho, obviously, became (unfortunately) notable slightly prior to his death. 1283:, even if they are related, did he kill her for a particular reason, or was she randomly chosen. Only if there was an explicit reason to choose her, would she qualify in my mind as notable above every other student. -- 668:

Showcasing someone because she was a (first) victim in a massacre, is not very encyclopaedic. She fails to qualify notability criteria, plus the article will never have any RS for anything besides her being the first

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implies content is kept solid... i.e. it gets its own section in the main article. In this case this murder deserves a single line, she was not notable before she died, there is no reason to make her notable now. --

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While I sympathise that a lot of the people who have commented on this page have had strong emotional reactions to recent events (I do not exclude myself from that), there is no compelling reason to keep this page

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requirements of Knowledge. Thus, it would be a violation of WP policy to delete this article. Editors wishing to have a different policy with respect to subjects such as this need to seek a change to WP policy

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Note that "delete and merge" is an illegal operation under the GFDL, we are required to maintain a list of the contributers for any material covered by it. This should probably be a "merge and redirect" instead.

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Being in a love affair with a would-be serial killer does not make one notable. If she was 100 miles away from Cho on Monday, would a word have been written about her in the BBC, or anywhere else? I suppose not!

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tag at the top of the page) there appears to be a lot of activity in this AfD by people who ostensibly have no prior WP experience, which leads one to suspect they may've been lead to vote here. And as far as

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At the moment nowhere near notable enough for her own page. If she becomes so (due to future developments in the case), then this information will still be in the article history for editors to work from.--

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Whether she wasn't notable before the shooting doesn't seem that important: she's still notable. Although it isn't an acceptable reason for a keep vote, I would like to point out that we have articles on

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This isn't a matter of being respectful... Also, the same argument could be applied to most people who die. Does this mean we should keep an article for a few months for them all if someone writes one?

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mentioned in other media in the future. If such occurs (and that very well may be the case) then an article can and should be written. As it stands right now, the article does not stand up to scrutiny.

1411:. The only notable (in wiki context) thing about her is her victim status in the massacre. As such, any pertinent info about her will be related to the massacre, so it belongs in the massacre article. 4550:-- should be part of article, but doesn't stand on it's own -- it's a detail of the main article, incidental to the main story. WP:BIO notes that incidental material does not qualify for an article. 4742:

i believe that it is alittle too soon to worry about this.i think we should just let it stay for a few months or so.i think its disrespectful to delete her page so soon after she died,y'know?

4205:. Before she was killed, she was not the subject of multiple secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject. Now she is, so she's notable. -- 2959:, for example, has a large amount that is written about his life and it concludes with the nature of his death. All Emily's article does is tell the world she was gunned down by a psycho. 314:

wasn't notable before his death either. In any event, this article has sources that assert the notability of the subject, exactly the type of article we should encourage on Knowledge. --

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article without cluttering it up at all. Since those two facts are the only facts that make her more notable than the others who died, there's no rationale for keeping this article.

2872:- A quick run through of the !votes came up with the following: 23 keep, 22 merge including merge & delete, and 74 delete including redirects. Is it about time to call this one 2001:

Not notable? Uh, have you been exposed to any major media outlet in the past week or so? She's probably far more notable than many topics you have written about or edited on here.

4874:- It's an electronic encyclopedia that can be revised at any time. Keep it for now, see what develops and delete it at a later date. It's not like the site will run out of storage. 4773:- before her death she was no more notable than I am, and her death only makes her worthy of note on the main page or, if the Victims page be notable, worthy of mention thereon. 2396:

Her only notability is being killed first (or second) by a spree killer. The way I see it all the victims of all spree shootings deserve a stub just for being killed, or none do.

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It's not like if we don't delete this article the world will end! Keep it! Or merge it into an article called "List of Viginia Tech Massacre Victims" or something like that!

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Ok deal... i will create a page full of information for each of these people... if you create a page for every single Iraqui Murdered in, lets say, the last year alone! --

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Not necessarily appropriate to create articles on victims of school shootings. If then you would have to add articles of all Columbine, Montreal Polytechnic, etc, etc. --

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The mere fact that there's even this involved of a discussion about it has me convinced that this information is of interest to enough people that it's worth keeping.

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for now at least. Not notable. A redirect or a merger may make sense. an individual article is destined to be a pointless stub, short of any new revelations.

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The Xavier Mertz article asserts his notability because he is "principally famous for his adventures in the Antarctic". Death by Vitamin C is just a plus. –

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and redirect to the main article. First victim of attack is the only notability of the individual. All information in this page is covered in the main page. ↔

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into a Victims of Virginia Tech Massacre article? Apart I don't think any victim short of that professor is noteworthy, but I believe they are as a group.

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This is, mind you, a pretty big deal. However, Knowledge is not a memorial. If people wish to put a small amount of information about the victims under the

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Per everyone above! Why are we discussing this? Instead of whining about the existence of this article, people should develop this article into a good one.

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Not even worth argument... she was in no way notable in life. Of course her name is information that should be in the main article and murderers article. --

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How many more "Deletes" need to be recorded before this article actually gets deleted and/or merged? It looks to be pretty overwhelmingly "Delete" here.

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Knowledge is not a memorial. She's not notable other than the fact that she was killed among 31 others. That's not important enough to warrent inclusion.

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I'm glad the professors are getting articles, they definitely deserve them under WP:PROF, however this girl is not notable for anything but being dead. --

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in her own right. If, in the future, that changes, the article can always be brought back (even if it's deleted that's true, but redirects are cheap).

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THE OBVIOUS CONSENSUS HERE IS TO DELETE THIS NON-NOTABLE PAGE...WHY MUST WE KEEP REHASHING THE EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

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If information comes out in upcoming weeks indicating her to be more notable (like if she was the chief motive), then we can always recreate it.--

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for the time being. At the moment, there's very little information about her. Once more becomes known, then we should have an article on her.

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As per some of the above comments (re:Notability and Memorial) I have rewritten the article/ restructured it. The article is just as notable as

4440:. None of the information in the article is specific to her beyond what her major and hometown are. The rest can be dealt with sufficiently in 2095:

You have got to be kidding me. Isn't this girls family going through enough grief without needing a stupid wikipedia page about this poor girl?

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Aside from this one incident, which is covered in its entirety on the page of said incident, there is no real criteria for notability here.--

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We only have articles on noteable ficticious characters. Ficticious characters who are not notable are not kept. It is the same thing here

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without this having happened or some time after the event. The closing admin should note that many of the keep votes are various forms of

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At the begining, many thought she was Cho's girlfriend and had a connection to the shootings other than just being a victim. Leave it in.

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other victims. The article will grow. Many of the comments amount to WPIGNORESTHEOBVIOUSLYNOTABLE, because it can always add it later. .

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There is no original info on this page. It is entirely peripheral to the VT massacre page, therefore has no reason to exist seperately.

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Conversely, if the article is deleted, but more details warranting an article are discovered, then the page can simply be restored. –

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You wouldnt have to. Articles also appear because epople want them to, wikipedia is not a coercive force on anyone to make any edit,

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only states that someone must be notable beyond being fondly remembered. A fond remembrance is not the subject of the article. --

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He was a multiple murderer, not a serial killer. And either way, she isn't notable for such alleged and unverified involvement.

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She deserves her own page as do all the victims of this tradgedy, maybe you should consider deleting mr chos page perhaps.

2457:, I feel this isn't enough to justify a wiki. The important details surrounding her are already highlighted on in the main 4683: 4423:. I understand that her death was notable, however it has been documented in the main article and this seems redundant.-- 4007: 3249:: The process allows five days of discussion on an AfD before the decision whether or not to delete or merge is made. -- 1893:: The process allows five days of discussion on an AfD before the decision whether or not to delete or merge is made. -- 1857:

This is not acceptable and, as above, Knowledge is not a memorial page. Tragic, but not worthy of inclusion in Knowledge.

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media, i think they are busy in vilifiyng him. just read the titles on the cnn.com website such as "Downright 'Mean'". --

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died in this incident, but until then, my vote is to delete. (My original intent was to vote to merge the article with

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New information on laptop and phone may lead to information about why she was targeted; keep as information comes in.

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clearly not noteable. Being killed by a noteable person or in a noteable event does not implicitly make you noteable.

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order in which they died. So deleting this article makes a stronger case for keeping the list of victims article.

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to one of the suggested articles. WP is not a memorial and being a victim does not automatically make one notable.--

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as non-notable; prayers and thoughts for her family and friends are appropriate but not an encyclopedia article. --

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If you came here because someone asked you to, or you read a message on another website, please note that this is

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because, like it or not, this person, in death, is notable. Multiple verifiable sources bear out this assertion.

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This article is useless on its own; any encylopedic information about this unlucky girl can be summarized in the

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per standard notability guidelines. Plus, Other Stuff Exists is not a good reason for supporting a Keep vote.

4907:, her notability has not been sufficiently established. The article may be recreated if "information comes in". 5179:

Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a

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She deserves mention, but so do all the other victims. I think it should be similar to the 9/11 victims list.

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as the only reason for an article is being the sexual fascination of a murderer. All the information is in the

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a

3994:- how can you justify deleting this article when Knowledge is replete with articles on irrelevant people like 1705:, Simply being a victim of a notable tragedy does not make the subject notable. Knowledge is not a memorial. 5149:

Notable by relation to the VTEC massacre. I'm a little late voting, but finally My VTEC just kicked in, yo!

3879:(read this link for more info). Knowledge needs standards for articles, and is not just an information heap. 2191: 4966: 4513: 4386: 4082: 4033: 3952: 3782: 3560: 3056: 3009: 2858: 2431: 2206:. Knowledge is not a memorial; people are not notable for being victims of shootings or other tragedies. -- 2012: 1558: 1494: 504: 196: 4620: 4341:

As an addendum to what I said earlier, I think a good reference point for this would be something like the

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With must respect to Emily and her family, not notable enough and not suitable as an encyclopedia article.

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due to non-notability, your comment was unduly harsh and cold. Have some respect for the deceased, please.

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To rehash much of what's been said: we are not a memorial, she's not notable except as a shooting victim.

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unusualness (sad that there's a 'usual' kind of massacre) of the separated shootings seems notable to me.

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combine it with the main article instead of making it a stand-alone victim page. Page is slowly violating

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For all of those saying "being the first death in the massacre is not a big deal: why is there a page on

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If we allowed all mass victims to have their own page what would we do with those who died on 9/11? (

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Tragic, though notable only becase of her death, no outside notability to fit wikipedia standards

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has been found to add to this page (currently, it says virtually nothing), it should be deleted.

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back into the article about the shootings. I mean no disrespect but she herself is not notable.

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If the subject was kept every single victim killed in a school massacre should have an article.

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in a few weeks, once this fleeting press attention fades. (Yes, I'm sure that trounces on some

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because she is no more noteworthy than I am, other than in her death, which isn't sufficient.

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Enough already with this runaround. Close the deletion debate and chose the victor already. --

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Knowledge:Biographies of living persons#When the subject of the article is not a public figure

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.

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it too" as a justification, does it fly? No. Shouldn't with mature Wiki editors either.--

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unless some other information comes out. The entire article is already in the main page --

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Emily has a book written about her or some other notable legacy. I am usually a strong

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See Jeff Silvers' comment above. Copy it to a subpage in your userspace and recreate

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to Cho's page or to Virginia Tech Massacre, whichever is deemed more appropriate.

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per nom. Non-notable. Comment: approx. 30 Americans die from gunshots every day.

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However, you are invited to participate and your opinion is welcome. Remember to

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I'll second that motion myself. It's obvious that there is some consensus here.

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I'd like to expand upon my original argument. A lot of people are bringing up

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is the unacceptable argument that since there are other articles which fail

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into a consolidated victims' list that includes notable published details.

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it is valid to repeat information out of context from the main article!

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Nothing of value to say about this person other than her victim status.

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causal relationship between her and the events, then my vote goes to a

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Non notable, other victims should be consolidated into a single page.

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Absolutely not notable for reasons other then the person's death.

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.

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for now -- strictly speaking, ample coverage satisfies WP:BIO.

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article and the nomination for deletion were done too quickly.

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I just realised that I already expressed my opinion up above

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The usual reasons non notable and Knowledge is not a memorial.

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is not policy but merely an interpretation. For policy, see

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disservice to curious Knowledge readers and researchers. --

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There are plenty of rationales listed all over this page.

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less important, relevant, notable pages? Oh, and how is

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fired up about on this page, they'd be busy elsewhere.

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need to play the role of information gatekeeper. Sure,

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obvious search term but only related to the shooting --

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CSD A7. Knowledge is not a bloody memorial either. --

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Not suitable for a Knowledge article at this time. --

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She's not notable other than the fact that she died.

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We need an uninvolved admin to take care of that. --

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Ybbor mentioned in his keep vote above that 3998:and thousands of fictional characters such as 1127:all articles of the victims into one, perhaps 4794:List of victims of the Virginia Tech massacre 3695:Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Ryan C. Clark 3277:List of victims of the Virginia Tech massacre 2540:List of victims of the Virginia Tech massacre 2148:List of victims of the Virginia Tech massacre 119:Comments may be tagged as follows: suspected 89:among Knowledge contributors. 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Remember to state policy reasons! 4056:relevant yet Emily Hilscher is not? 693:and don't merge anywhere - textbook 310:from Columbine. And for the record, 306:(who was also the first victim) and 24: 1131:. Don't merge to main article. 4607:- wikipedia is not a memorial. 3811:We already have a page like that 72: 3402:Knowledge is not a crystal ball 2793:. Knowledge is not a memorial. 1543:The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 932:The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 18:Knowledge:Articles for deletion 4932:and that we now mean articles 4125:She's not notable by herself. 4052:relevant to anything? How is 2630:Virginia Tech massacre#Victims 2083:Should be a redirect at best. 1: 4008:The Star Wars Holiday Special 3615:At the risk of treading into 3595:Knowledge is not a memorial. 817:Of course we should keep it! 109:on the part of others and to 5097:- Subject has fully met the 4740:keep for a while,then delete 4156:Knowledge is an Encyclopedia 3583:, random act of violence. - 2265:see the relevant policy here 883:; all information is there. 5022:HOW LONG MUST THIS GO ON... 4274:Knowledge is not a memorial 3571:- No expansion to be done. 3247:Knowledge:Guide to deletion 3148:invaild argument, based on 1979:00:18, 19 April 2007 (UTC) 1891:Knowledge:Guide to deletion 697:, "notable" only in death. 353:we should add yet another. 5200: 5166:23:53, 22 April 2007 (UTC) 5154:18:57, 22 April 2007 (UTC) 5140:19:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC) 5111:16:36, 22 April 2007 (UTC) 5090:15:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC) 5077:11:15, 22 April 2007 (UTC) 5052:21:02, 22 April 2007 (UTC) 5042:15:22, 22 April 2007 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Clark 2631: 2627: 2624: 2622: 2619: 2615: 2611: 2608: 2606: 2603: 2599: 2595: 2592: 2590: 2587: 2583: 2579: 2576: 2574: 2570: 2566: 2563: 2561: 2558: 2554: 2550: 2546: 2542: 2541: 2536: 2533: 2531: 2528: 2524: 2521: 2519: 2516: 2512: 2508: 2505: 2503: 2500: 2495: 2492: 2490: 2487: 2483: 2480: 2478: 2475: 2472: 2469: 2467: 2464: 2460: 2456: 2452: 2449: 2447: 2444: 2440: 2437: 2435: 2432: 2430: 2429:Hornandsoccer 2426: 2422: 2419: 2417: 2414: 2411: 2407: 2404: 2402: 2399: 2395: 2392: 2390: 2387: 2384: 2381: 2379: 2375: 2370: 2367: 2365: 2360: 2359:KeepOnTruckin 2356: 2353: 2351: 2350: 2344: 2341: 2339: 2336: 2332: 2329: 2327: 2324: 2320: 2317: 2313: 2310: 2306: 2303: 2302: 2301: 2298: 2294: 2293:Strong Delete 2291: 2289: 2286: 2282: 2279: 2277: 2274: 2273: 2266: 2260: 2255: 2254:public figure 2251: 2248: 2246: 2242: 2238: 2234: 2231: 2229: 2226: 2222: 2219: 2217: 2213: 2209: 2205: 2202: 2200: 2197: 2196: 2189: 2186: 2185: 2182: 2179: 2175: 2172: 2171: 2168: 2165: 2161: 2158: 2156: 2153: 2149: 2145: 2142: 2141: 2137: 2133: 2130: 2128:Caer’s whines 2124: 2118: 2115: 2113: 2110: 2106: 2103: 2101: 2098: 2094: 2091: 2089: 2086: 2082: 2079: 2077: 2074: 2070: 2067: 2065: 2062: 2059:- per above. 2058: 2055: 2053: 2050: 2046: 2043: 2041: 2038: 2035: 2031: 2028: 2027: 2022: 2018: 2014: 2010: 2009:4.224.117.101 2006: 2000: 1999: 1996: 1993: 1989: 1985: 1982: 1981: 1980: 1975: 1971: 1968: 1966: 1963: 1962:293.xx.xxx.xx 1959: 1955: 1952: 1948: 1945: 1944:Bryan Derksen 1940: 1939: 1938: 1933: 1927: 1921: 1917: 1914: 1912: 1909: 1906: 1903: 1902: 1899: 1896: 1892: 1888: 1887: 1886: 1885: 1882: 1875: 1872: 1868: 1865: 1863: 1860: 1856: 1855:Strong delete 1853: 1851: 1848: 1844: 1843:Strong delete 1841: 1839: 1836: 1831: 1830:Strong Delete 1828: 1826: 1823: 1819: 1818:Strong delete 1816: 1814: 1810: 1806: 1802: 1799: 1797: 1794: 1790: 1787: 1785: 1782: 1778: 1775: 1773: 1770: 1766: 1765: 1760: 1756: 1755:SPEEDY DELETE 1753: 1751: 1748: 1744: 1741: 1739: 1736: 1732: 1728: 1725: 1723: 1720: 1716: 1713: 1711: 1708: 1704: 1701: 1699: 1696: 1693: 1691: 1686: 1684: 1679: 1677: 1671: 1668: 1666: 1663: 1659: 1656: 1654: 1651: 1647: 1644: 1642: 1639: 1635: 1632: 1630: 1627: 1623: 1620: 1618: 1615: 1611: 1607: 1603: 1600: 1598: 1595: 1592: 1589: 1587: 1584: 1580: 1577: 1575: 1572: 1568: 1565: 1563: 1560: 1556: 1555:Strong Delete 1553: 1552: 1547: 1544: 1540: 1535: 1534: 1533: 1532: 1527: 1524: 1520: 1516: 1512: 1508: 1505: 1504: 1503: 1500: 1499: 1496: 1490: 1489:Jonomacdrones 1485: 1481: 1477: 1473: 1470: 1466: 1463: 1462: 1458: 1456: 1452: 1449: 1446: 1445: 1444: 1441: 1437: 1433: 1430: 1428: 1425: 1422: 1419: 1417: 1414: 1413:VanishingUser 1410: 1407: 1405: 1402: 1398: 1395: 1392: 1388: 1384: 1381: 1379: 1376: 1370: 1364: 1361: 1359: 1356: 1352: 1349: 1347: 1344: 1340: 1336: 1332: 1329: 1323: 1320: 1317:per Zodiiak. 1316: 1313: 1312: 1311: 1310: 1309: 1306: 1302: 1298: 1297:Strong delete 1295: 1289: 1286: 1282: 1279: 1278: 1277: 1274: 1270: 1266: 1263: 1262: 1261: 1258: 1254: 1251: 1249: 1246: 1242: 1239: 1235: 1232: 1228: 1224: 1223: 1220: 1216: 1212: 1208: 1202: 1201:STRONG DELETE 1199: 1198: 1194: 1190: 1187: 1183: 1182:Strong delete 1180: 1178: 1175: 1171: 1167: 1164: 1163: 1158: 1155: 1151: 1147: 1146: 1145: 1144: 1141: 1137: 1136: 1130: 1126: 1123: 1122: 1119: 1116: 1111: 1108: 1107: 1104: 1101: 1096: 1091: 1088: 1086: 1083: 1079: 1076: 1074: 1071: 1067: 1063: 1059: 1056: 1054: 1051: 1043: 1037: 1034: 1032: 1029: 1025: 1022: 1020: 1017: 1014: 1011: 1009: 1006: 1002: 999: 997: 992: 991: 978: 975: 973: 970: 965: 962: 960: 957: 953: 950: 948: 945: 941: 938: 936: 933: 929: 928:Cho Seung-hui 925: 921: 918: 916: 912: 911:Phoeba Wright 907: 904: 902: 899: 894: 891: 889: 886: 882: 878: 874: 871: 869: 866: 861: 858: 856: 853: 849: 846: 844: 841: 837: 833: 830: 828: 825: 820: 816: 814: 811: 807: 804: 802: 799: 794: 791: 785: 781: 780: 778: 776: 772: 768: 760: 756: 753: 749: 746: 745: 744: 743: 740: 735: 731: 730: 729: 728: 725: 720: 716: 713: 711: 707: 703: 696: 692: 689: 687: 684: 680: 677: 675: 672: 667: 663: 660: 659: 658:Strong Delete 655: 653: 650: 646: 643: 639: 636: 632: 628: 624: 621: 620: 619: 616: 612: 609: 607: 604: 599: 596: 594: 591: 587: 584: 582: 561: 557: 554: 552: 549: 545: 544:Cho Seung-hui 541: 536: 532: 528: 524: 521: 519: 516: 503: 489: 485: 481: 478: 476: 472: 471: 457: 454: 452: 449: 446: 443: 439: 436: 435: 431: 429: 425: 421: 417: 414: 412: 409: 405: 402: 396: 393: 388: 383: 380: 379: 378: 375: 374: 370: 368: 364: 361: 360: 359: 356: 352: 348: 345: 342: 340: 337: 332: 329: 328: 327: 324: 323: 319: 317: 313: 312:Cho Seung-hui 309: 305: 300: 297: 295: 291: 287: 283: 280: 278: 275: 271: 266: 263: 260: 257: 256: 255: 254: 251: 247: 246:Ryan C. Clark 243: 234: 228: 224: 220: 216: 211: 207: 202: 198: 194: 190: 186: 185: 176: 172: 164: 160: 154: 148: 144: 138: 132: 128: 122: 118: 114: 112: 108: 102: 98: 97: 92: 88: 84: 83: 78: 75: 71: 70: 65: 62: 60: 59: 56: 51: 47: 40: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 5175: 5172: 5158: 5146: 5121: 5115: 5103: 5094: 5082: 5072: 5064: 5021: 5009: 4994: 4984:Gunslinger47 4982: 4953:Xavier Mertz 4948: 4938: 4933: 4928: 4923: 4904: 4871: 4838: 4826: 4814: 4801: 4789: 4788: 4770: 4769: 4739: 4710: 4700:Gunslinger47 4698: 4667: 4662: 4649: 4638:Jeff Silvers 4632: 4616: 4604: 4592: 4588: 4581:Rita Moritan 4572: 4559: 4547: 4534:Jeff Silvers 4486:Jeff Silvers 4481: 4469: 4462:69.110.35.90 4457: 4437: 4420: 4416: 4403: 4364:Jeff Silvers 4354: 4338: 4326: 4314: 4302: 4261: 4249: 4236: 4219: 4214: 4202: 4190: 4176: 4159: 4155: 4151: 4147: 4142: 4136: 4122: 4105:Jeff Silvers 4038:Jeff Silvers 4025: 4000:Lumpawarrump 3991: 3969: 3926: 3911: 3886: 3868: 3850: 3828: 3814: 3806: 3800: 3759:Jeff Silvers 3753: 3727: 3711: 3701: 3690: 3673: 3645: 3644: 3629: 3622:TrevorPearce 3612: 3608: 3604: 3592: 3580: 3568: 3552: 3527: 3521: 3520: 3505: 3489: 3485: 3460: 3434: 3430: 3407: 3397: 3385: 3373: 3350: 3340: 3336: 3324: 3312: 3305:Carlosguitar 3300: 3288: 3272: 3260: 3230: 3214: 3188: 3176: 3164: 3145: 3134:Daysleeper47 3129: 3117: 3105:Gunslinger47 3103: 3083: 3071: 3039:Djungelurban 3030: 3029: 3022: 2992: 2980: 2968: 2951: 2940:Rachel Scott 2935: 2915: 2899: 2891: 2883: 2869: 2854:Delete/Merge 2853: 2840: 2828: 2820:Djungelurban 2814: 2802: 2790: 2782: 2770: 2754: 2739: 2705: 2692: 2688: 2665: 2646: 2625: 2609: 2593: 2578:Strong Merge 2577: 2564: 2538: 2534: 2522: 2506: 2493: 2481: 2470: 2450: 2438: 2420: 2405: 2393: 2382: 2368: 2354: 2347: 2342: 2330: 2318: 2304: 2292: 2280: 2272:Gunslinger47 2270: 2249: 2232: 2220: 2203: 2192: 2187: 2173: 2159: 2143: 2116: 2104: 2092: 2080: 2068: 2061:Weatherman90 2056: 2044: 2034:MarkBuckles 2029: 1983: 1978: 1969: 1953: 1919: 1915: 1904: 1878: 1867:Delete/Merge 1866: 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suspected 130: 116: 104: 100: 94: 86: 80: 50:Rachel Scott 45: 43: 31: 28: 4995:Strong Keep 4949:Strong Keep 4802:information 4711:Strong Keep 4617:Strong Keep 4565:JeffBurdges 4458:Strong Keep 4446:Evil Monkey 4270:not notable 4240:whatsoever. 4004:Mallatobuck 3992:Strong Keep 3927:Weak Delete 3851:Strong Keep 3728:Strong Keep 3674:Strong Keep 3511:Tejastheory 3313:STRONG KEEP 3293:Gloriamarie 3200:Tejastheory 2993:Strong Keep 2815:Strong Keep 2669:WP:MEMORIAL 2569:WP:MEMORIAL 2511:WP:MEMORIAL 2499:24.69.163.1 2494:Strong Keep 2453:As per per 2164:rock4arolla 2117:Weak Delete 1676:JohnnyBGood 1594:BritishHero 1511:if and when 1472:Strong Keep 1451:WP:MEMORIAL 1385:Agree with 1174:Bueller 007 1070:Daniel Case 930:articles.-- 852:Adam Bishop 824:Ibn Battuta 631:WP:MEMORIAL 625:Please see 424:WP:MEMORIAL 420:WP:MEMORIAL 336:Gloriamarie 265:Strong Keep 5099:notability 5049:Batman2005 5026:Batman2005 4609:Stubbleboy 4552:Pablosecca 4474:Pablosecca 4319:Peter Grey 4282:WP:ILIKEIT 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