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592:- No, I think the article is actually incorrect when it says that the "Tony DeVivo Award," which is given by the New York State Baseball Umpires Association, was renamed in Penale's honor. Looking at the two websites that are the only references in the article, it's clear that these are two separate awards, and that the "Frank Penale Award" is given by the Niagara Falls chapter of the state association. Regardless, I don't see any evidence that either of these awards are themselves notable (that is, there doesn't seem to be any coverage of these awards by recognized sources other than the associations themselves). In my opinion, that leaves a poor argument for the notability of the subject.
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