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549:, which refers to "a well-known and significant award or honor"—I get zero hits when I search for "Frank Penale Award" in Google News archives. Regarding the obituary, I guess I'm just not willing to accept an obituary in a regional newspaper as sufficient to establish notability; newspapers regularly publish obituaries for people who are not notable in an encyclopedic context. Furthermore, although the subject's obituary appears to be behind a pay wall, I notice that the headline ("Frank R. Penale, Longtime Nabisco Worker") doesn't highlight either his umpiring or his military service, suggesting that the obituary writer didn't consider these activities to be especially notable. Ultimately, it comes down to 592:- No, I think the article is actually incorrect when it says that the "Tony DeVivo Award," which is given by the New York State Baseball Umpires Association, was renamed in Penale's honor. Looking at the two websites that are the only references in the article, it's clear that these are two separate awards, and that the "Frank Penale Award" is given by the Niagara Falls chapter of the state association. Regardless, I don't see any evidence that either of these awards are themselves notable (that is, there doesn't seem to be any coverage of these awards by recognized sources other than the associations themselves). In my opinion, that leaves a poor argument for the notability of the subject. 444: 226: 570:. Obituaries are not indicative of notability, but generally offers leads to additional content. I'm not that invested to pay for access. I don't support notability based on the Nabisco or military career. The Frank Penale Award is the "Umpire of the Year Award" presented by the New York State Baseball Umpires Association, which is indicative of "part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field". This is the notability criteria presented. Best regards, 353: 468:. What is up with using "alleged" throughout this conversation? Its use may indicate bias or an issue with POV. The guideline specifically calls for being recognized as "part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field". With being HOF honor and having the Umpire of the Year Award named in your honor? This clearly meets the 515: 514:(as examples). These awards are notable in and of themselves, and awarded in such a limited manor, that individuals who receive the award are therefore presumed to be notable per ANYBIO. As for the alleged existence of an award named for the subject of the article whom we are attempting to determine their notability, doing 412:. Within his specific field (umpire) the subject has not only been named to the Hall of Fame, but has received a well-known and significant award. Additionally, the New York State Baseball Umpires Association "Umpire of the Year Award" is actually called the Frank Penale Award in his honor. In accordance with 245: 378: 671:
with lack of multiple sources of independent significant coverage. One obituary is the main source, and it has not been determined to be independent (written by family member?) The Niagara Falls Umpire Association that seem to be his main claim to possible notability, is a service for
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the award has to be "well-known and significant award or honor". This alleged Frank Penale Award is not "well known and significant" outside of the awarding body, the New York State Baseball Umpires Association, which itself does not appear to be notable
502:. For instance, an elementary school can name a teacher their "Teacher of the Year", but that doesn't make the award "well known and significant" which is a requirement of an awardee being notable. ANYBIO is more for awards such as the 162: 676:. This seems local, and a job someone does in their spare time after work and on weekends. Lacking significant independent sources on the person or even the league, this doesnt seem notable for WP.— 553:—it is not a memorial site, it is not a directory, and it is not an indiscriminate collection of information. The justifications for this article seem to fit in those categories. 123: 325: 237: 156: 305: 285: 265: 541:- It appears that the arguments for keeping this article are that: a) an umpiring award has been named in his honor, and b) an obituary was published in 448: 248:
google search hits (none which are reliable sources). Although I honor the service of the late Frank Penale, I do not believe that he is notable.
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to get additional editors to comment, I have left a message at the WikiProjects for Military History, New York (state), and Baseball. --
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criteria. On a completely different note, got a kick out of the looking at the baseball digest link to see my good friend and homeboy
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brief mentions in books (all whom are sourced directly from Knowledge, and thus it can be argued those fall under
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However, the award is one given by a local chapter of a state umpires association; I don't see that satisfying
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fails to meet requirements of GNG - lack of siginificant coverage by third party reliable sources.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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for the alleged award does not bring up any tertiary reliable source. Cheers! --
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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