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961:). The problem here however is notability. When there is no significant coverage in reliable secondary sources, it cannot be added. I did a highbeam search which gave a single result, which was a mere name mention. Please do not imply that people are not doing their best for this article and for everyone involved. If you think we should add sources, consider doing it yourself. Don't worry if an article is blanked, just add sources here. - Sincerely, 80: 986:
First of all, I edit as an ordinary editor, and not as a spokesperson. And secondly, I did not comment about notability because it's impossible to establish notability when there are no sources in the article. Also, I pointed to the fact that the AfD on your "abridged" version is not really the same
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Don't get me wrong, I meant no harm. I merely wanted to point out that a more fair solution would be to try to fix the article *before* deleting most of it and then nominating the sub-stub leftovers for deletion. And the talk page or the article's history do not mention any attempts at fixing the
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To make it 100% clear, I know very little about sports and even less about Scottish football. I don't claim this article's subject is notable (well, he might be - now that the article was picked up by the mainstream media :D), or that the author is actually worth keeping, or that the article is
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where needed. I would vote for keeping the article, but I doubt anyone is interested in actually helping the author save the article by adding sources to it. In that case it's always better to delete, drive the author away from Knowledge and forget the whole issue. Right?
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not long ago and nominated it for deletion myself, but only after I tried to work things out with the author and did my best at trying to source it. Sure, not everyone has the time to do this, but IMO that's a safer way, as it doesn't drive people away from the
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salvageable. But I believe we as a community should have tried. Which is what I meant above. And which is why I didn't vote either way, merely commented on the procedure. Peace to all.
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I strongly object to blanking the article the way NeilN did. It's much better to give time for people involved to add their sources by adding
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If you came here because someone asked you to, or you read a message on another website, please note that this is
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It is not a fully professional league. This player, for example, works as a trainee chef "by day"..... --
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No, I'm fairly confident that it's not fully professional. I note that it's not included in the list at
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per reasons above. Not played in a professional game (though is still young and potentially could!) —
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I always add sources when a subject is noteworthy and an article only needs to display more sources (
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Contested PROD. Not a notable footballer. Has never played in a fully professional league, and fails
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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I am astonished that a spokesperson for a chapter of Wikimedia Foundation would ignore
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However, you are invited to participate and your opinion is welcome. Remember to
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and he doesn't have any senior international caps either therefore he fails
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I've stubbed the article for various reasons given in the edit summaries.
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There is media coverage of this article and the deletion debate in the
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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article, which is why I wrote what I did. AAMoF I encountered a
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as has not played senior international football nor played in a
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is not fully pro, and the HFL is at a lower level than that. --
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The Highland League is a Professional Senior League.
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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
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