278:. As described in the article, the killing had a significant effect on Israel-Palestinian Authority relations, which are considered among the most important bilateral governmental relations in the world. So the fact that the nom can say that there is "no evidence that this killing of a settler is any different than any other killing anywhere" is stunning. Other differences between this killing and others include the fact that this one drew at least two government ministers to the funeral and that it led to a military operation. But I'm drifting into summarizing the article, when people should just be reading it. All in all, this incident is nothing like "routine news reporting on things like announcements, sports or celebrities" and everything like a textbook case of a significant, influential and widely reported
542:
534:
314:- Another in an endless series of articles attempting to memorialize news events of the Israeli-Palestinian civil war as encyclopedia articles. As usual, this is a cloaked POV push and Wikipedians need to just say no. Knowledge is NOT A RANDOM ACCUMULATION OF NEWS STORIES, particularly a tendentiously-selected set of news accounts memorializing one team's losses while ignoring those of the other. —
546:
706:
information" since it is ongoing coverage. It is inline with the GNG with significant coverage from reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. It also may meet EVENT with ongoing and widespread national and international coverage. Google News
Archive hits shows it all. This happened in December 2009 and continues to be discussed months later.
344:
Israel's link-up with the
Palestinian security forces and disengagement from major checkpoint/roadbloc areas. I can think of many articles related to terrorist acts that are frequently created on wikipedia without challenge. It seems the only articles attacked are incidents involving Israelis. Surprise surprise.
681:
I disagree -- they are for the most part reliable and many are solely about the event and its aftermath, while another discuss the event and or its aftermath. And they were produced in the google search looking for articles more than a few days after the event -- there are many more in the few days
492:
The cross-border coverage, along with the number of articles, suggests notability sufficient to satisfy NOTNEWS. Recency of an event is not by itself reason to not cover it -- otherwise we would never have articles on events until months after they took place. And a simple google search shows many
714:
Reasoning to delete based on POV is (again) a problem. POV is reason for deletion if it is bad enough (WP:NOT#OR is part of WP:NOT which is reasoning at WP:DEL) However, just because it is a touchy subject and might be a favored article of those with one POV or the other (those in support of Israel
580:
Just glancing through it, I see a few. You can narrow it down w/various searches (e.g., include rabbi, don't include rabbi but include "west bank" or "shooting" or "killed" or "shot", etc.). I see the mentions that you view as bare mentions as sufficient to reflect continued coverage, and am also
563:
My above comment is discussing the first result. Look at each of the
Haaretz results on the first and second pages, the dates are misreported. Those are most of the articles that show up after the first few days. The rest barely mention the topic, they dont cover it. The second gnews does have some
217:
Is it too much to ask that you nominate an article for deletion without maligning the creator's intentions? If you think the subject is more suitable for
Wikinews, you're entitled to your opinion. But this is something that actually happened in the real world, according to all points of view, and I
705:
NOTNEWS is not being applied correctly (again). It is not "routine news reporting on things like announcements, sports, or celebrities is not a sufficient basis for inclusion in the encyclopedia." It is not against "breaking news should not be emphasized or otherwise treated differently from other
323:
So -- justfixit -- memorialize both "team's losses" that are notable. See otherstuffexists. This is certainly notable, as reflected in the clear majority of comments below. What seems tendentious is some of the delete voters who only appear to seek to delete losses on one side, in the face of a
664:
The sources you added are for the most part either unreliable (Arutz Sheva) or barely touch on the subject (such as ones that say "came three months after Meri Hai was killed in the West Bank") or come from the days after the incident, such as all the
Haaretz ones which you oddly only included an
343:
Really, how many more AFDs on
Israeli articles do we need? This must be the 10th one. The killing of Rabbi Hei was a significant event and generated international press. It continues to be recorded as a major terror incident within the Israeli government. It was one of the most violent acts since
234:
My intention is not to dissuade anyone from writing NPOV articles. My problem is that it seems a group of editors are furiously creating articles which seek to demonize
Palestinians. If this is not your intent, I hope you will change the way you edit articles so that it doesn't do so. Fighting to
516:
article as having a date of Sep 3, 2010 when in fact it was published on
December 27 2009, 3 days after this killing. That accounts for almost all of the google results for any results since the initial spike in coverage. That is of course if you are only looking at the results page. If you look
564:
real results after the initial days, but again they for the most part barely mention the event. A general google search is so wide that it is useless. I dont plan on wading through every garbage site that google indexes to find 2 that may be pertinent. If you would like to feel free.
493:
news articles subsequent to the first three days after the event -- editors should not feel circumscribed at AfD by the refs reflected in an article. Just the opposite. We make AfD decisions based on what refs exist in the real world, not whether they are reflected in the article.--
874:
In the news after a year. Indeed, terror attacks during a long term lull are almost always have significant international ramifications because of how they effect the peace process. Finally, to clear up some misconception that seems to be cropping up frequently these days, this is
417:
I'm just trying to explain why articles of this ilk are being scrutinized more closely than usual — for good reason. I make no assertion that this particular article or any particular editor is part of the well-documented coordinated campaign to skew
Knowledge content.
517:
deeper than that you may find that there arent any sources covering this killing after the initial spike in coverage. You may find some sources mentioning it, as in "this killing took 6 months place after Rabbi Meir Hai was killed", but that isnt "coverage".
800:
I was planning to say delete on this as another relatively lesser incident in the conflict. But when I checked G News, I saw athat it was covered not only by multiple RSs in the region & almost all the major US newspapers, but also from
402:
This is not relevant in the least!!! The article was created nearly a year before this signpost issue. Looks simply like part of a POV-motivated campaign to remove any article that portrays
Palestinian terrorists in an unfavorable way.
646:. I've now added over 20 refs to the incident and its aftermath, all dated from more than a few days subsequent to the first reports. There are more to be added/reviewed, if anyone cares to check the above gnews and ghit links.--
164:
511:
This is not an issue of "recency", this happened 9 months ago. And a "simple google search" does not show that. Google news misindexes the dates on articles from Haaretz. For example, a google search shows
719:
Fatah and armed resistance can see this as a successful operation) but unless editors are willing to start listing how the article is POV then it needs to be not regarded as a legitimate concern.
903:
The article addresses the incident and provides ample reliable and verifiable references to support the fact that there is coverage over an extended period, backing up the claim of notability.
581:
impacted by the fact that coverage is international, which the guidance indicates is a factor to be considered. In all searches, both spellings of the name yield more fulsome results. Best.
538:
473:. There has been no lasting impact from this and no evidence of any sustained notability. There was a spike in news stories at the time of the event and not much of any coverage since.
158:
253:
How bout you just discuss the article and not the editor, that might be better. Otherwise somebody might start questioning your motives for nominating this article for deletion.
707:
119:
438:
709:
The article shows that it could have ongoing effect. It is hard to determine that at the moment but the other requirements are sufficient for this article to be kept.
469:
in the article, 12 are from within 3 days of this "event". The last is an editorial that mentions this killing in one sentence. This is an open and shut case of
363:
92:
87:
96:
235:
include "Arab terrorists" and emphasizing the number of children a person had then fervently reverting attempts at neutral wording are examples of this.--
52:. The keep !voters did a better job of explaining why NOTNEWS doesn't apply. Note that a keep close doesn't prevent us from revisiting this issue later.
781:
124:
79:
199:, "routine news reporting on things like announcements, sports, or celebrities is not a sufficient basis for inclusion in the encyclopedia".
218:
worked hard to describe it thoroughly and neutrally. If you're trying to dissuade people from editing Knowledge, you're doing a great job.
760:
179:
759:. Just another death in the Israel-Palestine perpetual conflict. It's funny how the conflict extends to edit warring on the internet.--
391:
For some context on why Israeli-Palestinian related articles may well be undergoing additional (and justifiable) scrutiny, please see
146:
879:
a "routine news reporting on things like announcements, sports, or celebrities", which NOTNEWS intends to exclude from wikipedia.--
809:, I conclude that world-wide coverage is present, and that it probably will become a significant part of the historical record.
886:
925:
17:
83:
195:
Another POV trojan horse. No evidence that this killing of a settler is any different than any other killing anywhere. Per
140:
946:
929:
912:
895:
866:
842:
820:
788:
768:
747:
728:
691:
675:
655:
638:
621:
590:
574:
558:
527:
502:
483:
454:
412:
379:
353:
333:
291:
263:
248:
239:
227:
203:
61:
287:
223:
682:
after the event. As to reflection of dates, if any were not added in the ref that would be due to a refserv snafu. --
136:
921:
392:
961:
186:
75:
67:
36:
960:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
35:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
764:
743:
408:
283:
244:
The editor made a direct comment towards me, so I responded. I don't think my intentions are questionable.--
219:
349:
57:
513:
152:
891:
687:
651:
586:
554:
498:
329:
634:
172:
908:
739:
668:
567:
520:
476:
447:
404:
372:
256:
738:- agree with Cptnono. This is not 'routine news", and claimed "POV" is not a reason to delete.
756:
724:
609:
470:
345:
196:
49:
29:
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
838:
715:
can see this as beating up on the practices of certain Palestinians while those in favor of
617:
53:
881:
683:
647:
582:
550:
494:
325:
279:
802:
937:, significant and wide-spread coverage, as well as significant effects of the incident.
942:
862:
630:
904:
816:
854:
830:
720:
419:
396:
315:
301:
113:
834:
785:
613:
245:
236:
200:
938:
858:
811:
857:. BTW what news we're talking about, it happened almost a year ago!--
806:
954:
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
780:
another somewhat similar AfD has been started regarding
466:
324:
notability that the majority/consensus clearly notes.--
109:
105:
101:
171:
300:
The above by the article's creator, for the record. —
39:). No further edits should be made to this page.
964:). No further edits should be made to this page.
48:for now. Most of the delete !votes simply cited
439:list of Palestine-related deletion discussions
185:
8:
364:list of Israel-related deletion discussions
782:Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Asel Asleh
433:
358:
665:access date but not a date publication.
437:: This debate has been included in the
362:: This debate has been included in the
7:
24:
393:WIKIPEDIA SIGNPOST, Aug. 23, 2010
18:Knowledge:Articles for deletion
1:
947:01:07, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
930:19:36, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
913:12:58, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
896:04:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
867:01:42, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
843:00:58, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
821:00:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
789:15:05, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
769:01:12, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
748:00:24, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
729:22:59, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
692:03:46, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
676:23:05, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
656:21:47, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
639:19:03, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
622:16:41, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
591:06:18, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
575:04:41, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
559:04:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
528:04:17, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
503:02:11, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
484:02:01, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
458:01:58, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
455:01:58, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
413:00:28, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
383:01:58, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
380:01:58, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
354:01:54, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
334:23:05, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
292:01:47, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
264:04:23, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
249:04:29, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
240:02:18, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
228:01:47, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
204:00:34, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
62:00:55, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
981:
920:per DGG's sound analysis.
215:Another POV trojan horse.
76:Killing of Rabbi Meir Hai
68:Killing of Rabbi Meir Hai
957:Please do not modify it.
32:Please do not modify it.
533:I am referring to this
922:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz
465:- Of the 13 sources
399:, Sept. 30, 2010.
284:Jalapenos do exist
220:Jalapenos do exist
44:The result was
678:
577:
530:
486:
459:
457:
442:
384:
382:
367:
318:, Sept. 30, 2010.
304:, Sept. 30, 2010.
266:
972:
959:
889:
884:
671:
666:
570:
565:
541:as well as this
523:
518:
479:
474:
450:
445:
443:
375:
370:
368:
259:
254:
190:
189:
175:
127:
117:
99:
34:
980:
979:
975:
974:
973:
971:
970:
969:
968:
962:deletion review
955:
887:
882:
669:
568:
521:
477:
448:
422:, Oct. 6, 2010.
373:
257:
132:
123:
90:
74:
71:
37:deletion review
30:
22:
21:
20:
12:
11:
5:
978:
976:
967:
966:
950:
949:
932:
915:
898:
869:
847:
846:
823:
794:
793:
792:
791:
772:
771:
750:
732:
731:
711:
710:
699:
698:
697:
696:
695:
694:
659:
658:
641:
624:
602:
601:
600:
599:
598:
597:
596:
595:
594:
593:
506:
505:
487:
460:
430:
429:
428:
427:
426:
425:
424:
423:
386:
385:
356:
337:
336:
320:
319:
308:
307:
306:
305:
295:
294:
272:
271:
270:
269:
268:
267:
251:
231:
230:
193:
192:
129:
125:AfD statistics
70:
65:
42:
41:
25:
23:
15:
14:
13:
10:
9:
6:
4:
3:
2:
977:
965:
963:
958:
952:
951:
948:
944:
940:
936:
933:
931:
927:
923:
919:
916:
914:
910:
906:
902:
899:
897:
894:
893:
890:
885:
878:
873:
870:
868:
864:
860:
856:
852:
849:
848:
845:
844:
840:
836:
832:
828:
824:
822:
818:
814:
813:
808:
804:
803:Reuters India
799:
796:
795:
790:
787:
783:
779:
776:
775:
774:
773:
770:
766:
762:
761:70.80.234.196
758:
754:
751:
749:
745:
741:
740:Tie Oh Cruise
737:
734:
733:
730:
726:
722:
718:
713:
712:
708:
704:
701:
700:
693:
689:
685:
680:
679:
677:
673:
672:
663:
662:
661:
660:
657:
653:
649:
645:
642:
640:
636:
632:
628:
625:
623:
619:
615:
611:
607:
604:
603:
592:
588:
584:
579:
578:
576:
572:
571:
562:
561:
560:
556:
552:
548:
547:google search
544:
540:
539:google search
536:
532:
531:
529:
525:
524:
515:
510:
509:
508:
507:
504:
500:
496:
491:
488:
485:
481:
480:
472:
468:
464:
461:
456:
452:
451:
440:
436:
432:
431:
421:
416:
415:
414:
410:
406:
405:Tie Oh Cruise
401:
400:
398:
394:
390:
389:
388:
387:
381:
377:
376:
365:
361:
357:
355:
351:
347:
342:
339:
338:
335:
331:
327:
322:
321:
317:
313:
310:
309:
303:
299:
298:
297:
296:
293:
289:
285:
281:
277:
274:
273:
265:
261:
260:
252:
250:
247:
243:
242:
241:
238:
233:
232:
229:
225:
221:
216:
213:
210:
209:
208:
207:
206:
205:
202:
198:
188:
184:
181:
178:
174:
170:
166:
163:
160:
157:
154:
151:
148:
145:
142:
138:
135:
134:Find sources:
130:
126:
121:
115:
111:
107:
103:
98:
94:
89:
85:
81:
77:
73:
72:
69:
66:
64:
63:
59:
55:
51:
47:
40:
38:
33:
27:
26:
19:
956:
953:
934:
917:
900:
892:(yada, yada)
880:
876:
871:
855:user:Cptnono
850:
831:user:Cptnono
826:
825:
810:
797:
777:
752:
735:
716:
702:
667:
643:
626:
605:
566:
543:gnews search
535:gnews search
519:
489:
475:
462:
446:
434:
371:
359:
346:Wikifan12345
340:
311:
275:
255:
214:
211:
194:
182:
176:
168:
161:
155:
149:
143:
133:
45:
43:
31:
28:
629:- NOTNEWS.
545:, and this
159:free images
54:Ron Ritzman
757:WP:NOTNEWS
684:Epeefleche
648:Epeefleche
610:WP:NOTNEWS
583:Epeefleche
551:Epeefleche
495:Epeefleche
471:WP:NOTNEWS
326:Epeefleche
197:WP:NOTNEWS
50:WP:NOTNEWS
807:Il foglio
631:Gatoclass
467:currently
905:Alansohn
670:nableezy
569:nableezy
522:nableezy
478:nableezy
449:nableezy
374:nableezy
280:WP:EVENT
258:nableezy
212:Comment:
120:View log
721:Cptnono
644:Comment
420:Carrite
397:Carrite
316:Carrite
302:Carrite
165:WP refs
153:scholar
93:protect
88:history
888:crewer
835:AMuseo
805:, and
753:Delete
627:Delete
614:Edison
606:Delete
463:Delete
312:Delete
137:Google
97:delete
872:Keep.
817:talk
717:Hamas
490:Keep.
341:Again
180:JSTOR
141:books
114:views
106:watch
102:links
16:<
943:talk
939:C628
935:Keep
926:talk
918:Keep
909:talk
901:Keep
883:brew
863:talk
859:Mbz1
853:per
851:Keep
839:talk
829:per
827:Keep
798:Keep
778:Note
765:talk
744:talk
736:Keep
725:talk
703:Keep
688:talk
652:talk
635:talk
618:talk
608:per
587:talk
555:talk
537:and
514:this
499:talk
435:Note
409:talk
360:Note
350:talk
330:talk
288:talk
276:Keep
224:talk
173:FENS
147:news
110:logs
84:talk
80:edit
58:talk
46:keep
877:not
812:DGG
784:.--
549:.--
444:--
395:. —
369:--
187:TWL
122:•
118:– (
945:)
928:)
911:)
865:)
841:)
819:)
786:TM
767:)
755:-
746:)
727:)
690:)
674:-
654:)
637:)
620:)
612:.
589:)
573:-
557:)
526:-
501:)
482:-
453:-
441:.
411:)
378:-
366:.
352:)
332:)
290:)
282:.
262:-
246:TM
237:TM
226:)
201:TM
167:)
112:|
108:|
104:|
100:|
95:|
91:|
86:|
82:|
60:)
941:(
924:(
907:(
861:(
837:(
833:.
815:(
763:(
742:(
723:(
686:(
650:(
633:(
616:(
585:(
553:(
497:(
418:—
407:(
348:(
328:(
286:(
222:(
191:)
183:·
177:·
169:·
162:·
156:·
150:·
144:·
139:(
131:(
128:)
116:)
78:(
56:(
Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.