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In an especially egregious case, Israeli forces shot dead 19-year-old Sa’ad
Muhammad Youssef al-Atrash in the Old City of Hebron as he attempted to retrieve an ID card at an Israeli soldier’s request on 26 October. The Israeli police labelled the incident an “attempted stabbing” but an eyewitness
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Here is a filmed with Sa'ad al-Atrash's mother, thus proving that a diversity of sources exist. I don't think that will change your mind, but I hope the closing admin takes that fact into consideration (along with your prior voting record, evidenced by the articles I linked to).
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watching the events unfold from her balcony said he had posed no threat when he was shot. One of the soldiers had asked him for ID, and as he reached into his pocket to grab his card another soldier standing behind him shot him on his right side, she told
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