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286:, a non-notable person who did his job for 50 years. I don't know that there's a bright line on whether obituaries make someone notable; but when a person gets an obituary like this without having had any significant coverage during his life I can't believe it amounts to very much. A beloved, but otherwise completely low-profile, local figure may get an obituary upon death, and while 290:
doesn't, strictly speaking, apply to a deceased person, I think the principle is worth remembering: "If reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event, and if that person otherwise remains, or is likely to remain, a low-profile individual, we should generally avoid having an
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What you may have missed: ref #1 also mentions him on the back cover as a contributor, ref #2 has 3 mentions of him, not 2 (Google book search may not want to display the discussion of him on pg 1481, but it still counts), and ref #3 describes him as having "had a long and distinguished career as a
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With all due respect, what you've found is (1) a six-page chapter he contributed to a non-notable book, (2) another book where he's thanked in the acknowledgements and mentioned in one paragraph, and (3) a book where he's quoted briefly on a single page about being a typography student, and never
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Google book search up top shows plenty of results, the first one being him, showing a picture of one of the book covers he did, his name mentioned. How often does that happen? The other books that mention his work, are probably about him also, it not too common of a name.
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papers are not typicaly writen merely about "beloved, but otherwise completely low-profile, local figure"s. The coverage in books about book design would alone be enough to establish notability IMO. Together I think the result is clear.
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is not about someone's death. It is about their life and their contribution to society, especially in the context of articles in national newspapers such as
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When a book on book designers describes someone as having had "a long and distinguished career," I'm happy to take their word for it.
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No claim of notability (unless one counts the obituary on The Independent). Just a good book designer doing his job.
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was not followed correctly in this case. In particular, under section 3, it would have been appropriate to add a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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tag before proposing deletion for this article. I would request that the original proposer follows
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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article on them." To my thinking, that pretty much applies to someone's death as well.
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Quite obviously notable from the sources given, particularly national press obituaries.
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Absurd nomination - we do not discount substantial sources for no reason.
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Doesn't appear to have significant coverage by reliable independent
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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believe this stacks up to notability—and under what,
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Ian Mackenzie-Kerr
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The Independent
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