449:: (disclaimer: original author, sorry I was lazy about citations back in those days, thanks Chiswick Chap for adding some). I argue against a merge, because it is a core concept in Javanese gamelan, not all other forms (which the gamelan article provides an overview of). The best way to clarify the diverse structures (and instruments, etc.) that appear in the various kinds of gamelan is to have a rich hypertext organization that is available for appropriate links. We obviously do this with distinctive rhythmic techniques that appear in European music, instead of merging them into the most typical genre they appear in (see
325:- I have added five citations and two of the many books on the subject. Irama is a core concept in Gamelan (it is linked from many other WP articles on Gamelan), is defined in many books (and websites), and is a necessity for students and players to understand Gamelan music. The topic is certainly Notable. And we should not constantly be deleting good worthwhile articles of this nature.
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