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criteria precisely to avoid all of that. The question is: "has this person been the subject of significant coverage in reliable secondary sources?" Someone can run for this or that, but if sources aren't there it doesn't matter. Likewise someone can fail at everything he/she does but if there are plenty of sources, it doesn't matter. --—
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or based on how many people know about something. Knowledge doesn't care about state politics or what someone means to people of a certain state. It doesn't care what state anybody is in, editor or subject. The question of whether something is notable is a technical term that provides quasi-objective
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Put it this way if Joseph Avellone is not known to everyone in Massachusetts just some on Knowledge and when he ran for Governor probably. Now he's not noticeable unless he runs for something else later. Even if he might pass something here he still doesn't need an article now because what good will
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As a spokesman for various companies he was quoted numerous times. However, none of these passing mentions demonstrate previous notability. Also, although the subject need not be the main topic of the source material for it to be considered significant coverage, it is interesting to note that in the
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notable, but generally suggestive that significant sources exist (i.e. why high schools are typically kept -- not because they have special properties, but because we can assume sources will exist). I'd be a hypocrite if I stuck to that line of argument when called into question, though. So here are
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press from that one big event, it just requires some evidence that the person has received coverage for other stuff, too, even if not as substantial). Make all the arguments you want about individual items in the following list not making him notable, the fact of the matter is there appear to be one
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Hm. Well. A few of the above are minor mentions -- the ones I grabbed early in my search in response to your claim that the only articles that mention his various jobs are from election coverage. But anybody can click them or do their own research to see you're not fairly/accurately characterizing
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I'm not sure where you see "significant coverage about other things". The non-election sources do not provide any in-depth coverage. Most of them just give his name and his position with the company he worked for at the time, which is far from significant coverage. The only significant coverage he
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say that when a lot of someone's notoriety comes from one event, all of those sources about that event don't count and the person must start from scratch showing sources about other things. No, if it can be shown the person has also received significant coverage about other things, then ONEEVENT
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Face it? Ok, I've faced it. (I don't live in MA, btw). But Knowledge doesn't actually care about job titles or elections or who runs for what. There are specific notability criteria that give us a shortcut to notability (e.g. win an Academy Award means lots of coverage, so you only need to know
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Let's break it down: There's no question he's notable for the recent election, right? And there have been many pieces written specifically about him for that, right? ONEEVENT, however, tells us that in such cases you have to consider if it's the event that should be covered instead (and, with
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gubernatorial candidate that mentions Avellone only in passing. The source for his work at Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts is an article about HMOs that only contains two small quotes from Avellone. There is no source in the article his work at Boston Heart Diagnostics nor is it even
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While Avellone has done all of those things he has not received significant coverage for any of them. The only sources that mention his tenure as a Selectmen are articles about the gubernatorial election. The source for his time at PAREXEL and Veritas Medicine is the PAREXEL's website, a
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or Mark Fisher (who actually could make the ballot). I say delete the article and "IF" Joseph Avellone runs in 2018, then maybe wikipedia can reconsider. Not all selectman in Massachusetts can have their own Knowledge article even if they helped a U.S. Senator run for President.
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Rewording: The question is, looking at all of the coverage about this person for all purposes (but excluding brief mentions and primary sources), is the coverage significant? Span time? Independent? The answer is yes. Next question: is it all for one event? No. --—
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It occurs to me you basically just reiterated your delete vote rationale and I responded by reiterating a bunch of stuff I've already said, too. Here's hoping we get some new blood in the discussion as it's presently heading for no consensus. --—
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who wins the democratic nomination in September, they are well known. If Joseph Avellone made the ballot and was well known like Grossman and Coakley it would be more appropriate to keep but he was unable to.
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or more sources about him for each of these -- at least as far as I can tell. These, in combination with the recent election, makes him an easy keep: (1) Selectman (and Chairman of the Board of Selectmen) in
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as far as I see. A lot of the coverage about him comes from the last 18 months while running for governor, sure, but he's got an impressive resume that removes ONEEVENT as a factor. Being notable for only
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Indeed. Sort of what I had redacted from my own comments before (arguing in an opposite way at the mark fisher afd). But I think you mean Plyjacks, not Ponyo (they are not the same afaik, anyway). --—
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the sources. PS: Not one of these is connected to the recent election (I only pulled articles pre-2013). All seem reliable (most from the Boston Globe). Many are negligible indeed. Many are not. --—
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Everything I can see is passing mention. Maybe he has a lot of passing mentions and minor accomplishments, but I really don't see that ONE magic thing that makes it obvious that he passes WP:GNG.
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As a general rule, I don't like citing common outcomes and other such shortcuts in deletion discussions, but that's admittedly what I was trying to do: point to a series of job titles as not
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and a bunch of passing mentions of the "Company spokesperson X said . . ." do not give him notability since the significant coverage is of the company, not the spokesperson.
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The previous deletion discussion was closed an no consensus, in part because there was a desire not to rush to deletion as Avellone was part of a breaking news event (the
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isn't the same as receiving some coverage for a number of different things before getting a whole lot of coverage for one thing in particular (invoking ONEEVENT doesn't
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someone won an Academy Award). He didn't win, so indeed he does not receive one of those shortcuts/free passes. No argument there, to be sure. So it falls back to
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This should have been delete the first time, and nothing has changed except he didn't make the primary. I'm still not seeing significant coverage in RS.
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Boston Globe mentions his promotion in 1994, says he'll be the "company's number two executive with responsibility for the core business"
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non-independent source that does nothing to show notability. The source that covers his work for the Kerry campaign is an article about
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1992 Washington Post article talks about him in connection to Tsongas, says he "helped shape Tsongas's comprehensive health care plan"
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just like most other people's Knowledge pages. The question is whether there are sufficient sources talking about him in
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during 2004 Presidential run; (4) Profiled in Time Magazine in 1979 as one of "50 Faces for the Future"; (5) COO for
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subject) of many of the articles cited above. That he is not the sole subject of any of them isn't a deal-breaker.
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negligible indeed, but at least secondary source verified in this financial report via US Fed News Service
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Face it: He didn't make the ballot for 2014 and the Governor's race will mostly be focusing on either
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Plyjacks voted to deleted at the previous AFD purely because a pet article of his was also deleted
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1991 Globe article spends several paragraphs talking about him, also mentioning him as a selectman
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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capacity (combined; having established it's for multiple reasons already) sufficient to pass
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even without losing the nomination, but much of what's available online, as noted above, is
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also this 2010 Health and Beauty Close-Up magazine article that quotes him for the company
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talking to the Boston Globe in 1992 about how much they pay for smoking-related claims
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speaking at somewhat more length to the Globe as selectman about David Locke in 1992
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ever received comes from the 2014 election and therefore ONEEVENT does apply. --
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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commenting about Boston City Hospital for Blue Cross in the Boston Globe 1992
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two decades worth of articles provided, Avellone is not the main topic of
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them (i.e. that "most of them just give his name and his position"). --—
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speaking for the company in 1996 about drug benefits in the Boston Globe
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He is the primary source for or a prominent subject (even if not the
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1994 Boston Globe article about Blue Cross buying doctors' practices
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Wireless News article from 2010 quotes him speaking for Parexel
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He does not pass notability. Low level doctor and politician.
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simply doesn't apply and we're back to the GNG or BASIC.
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Bay State Banner article mentions him as VP in 1994
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