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342:"According to author Gabaldon the character of Jamie Fraser was developed from an account in the book Prince in the Heather, which describes how 19 wounded Jacobites hid in a farmhouse after the battle. After two days they were executed under the Red Coat’s command for No Quarter, “except one man, a Fraser of the Master of Lovet's regiment, who survived the slaughter.”", " 328:
character. Mikeblas says that that's "about the actor, not the character," and if I squint really hard I can almost understand where that's coming from, but nobody is nominated for six major awards in a world where nobody has ever written about the character. The presumption that no coverage exists is just not sensible. I'll go ahead and quote just two:
331:"The stories the show told during the second half of the first season deepened bond and their need for each other. Jamie in particular was made to confront his personal and cultural attitudes about gender roles, understand how they impact Claire, and recognize the value to him of having a wife that was his equal in every way." — " 327:
per common sense. This is the main character of a very popular, long-running book series and a very popular, long-running television show. As it says in the article, the actor has been nominated for two Saturn Awards, two People's Choice Awards, a BAFTA and a Critic's Choice Award for playing this
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Non-notable fictional character. The GNG applies here, and we don't have anything that discusses this character's development or influence outside of the scope of the fiction. The references discuss a bit of inspiration to the author, but are superficial and don't demonstrate notability. The
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There are many books and articles written about the book and tv series, and within them I'm sure there is much discussion about this central character, in particular the fact that he was raped. Two sources I've found include
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character isn't influential for other fiction writers, and isn't used as an allegorical sense, and so on. (Note that the actor being nominated for awards is about the actor, not the character.)
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Actually... that's a good source. If we can find one more like this, I'd change my vote to keep, per the GNG requirement of
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Reliable sources others have mentioned give this character significant coverage.
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I don't think that the subject is discussed here in depth, unfortunately. --
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You don't think a 205 page analysis of the symbolism and sources of
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Adoring Outlander: Essays on Fandom, Genre and the Female Audience
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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per Toughpigs and Andrew and additional references such as
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How the Outlander finale handled its disturbing rape scene
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