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828:: Considering the argument "if Lebanon can have one why can't Israel", unlike Israel, the Ottoman archives, and those of the Powers mention the Lebanon and its inhabitants for whom a special form of governance was "invented" (double qaimaqamate and later mutasarrifate). The nation of Lebanon was a direct successor of the Ottoman rule and and product of the national identity that was present long before the birth of the state. The same cannot be said about Israel which was only created in 1948, and before that the people of the region identified as Palestinians. Sadly the original inhabitants and their villages were supplanted by colons and colonies of migrants ... you know the rest of the this. 715:
isn't a powerful argument in deletion discussions generally. But going along with it, by that logic, they are all primary topics but this isn't. We don't make primary topics or dabs by looking at other dabs either, but those examples aren't even the same as this dab.
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be addressed, so deletion is on the table here as it fails (which ignored at the talk). This allows wider participation too. Disambiguation is not what you think it is.
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His answer was clear: as consensus there is. Consensus there is redirect. Further questions and whom they are addressed at is irrelevant. Nuf said.
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If this is closed before that one, should the closer understand that as "consensus for redirect/delete"? (my reading of the unclosed AfD)
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The difference is that Lebanon was a recognised place in Ottoman times, whereas Israel was not. It was called Palestine. --
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I answered the dab project note over "an aggressive editor". Behavioural aspects of this should be addressed on their page
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being addressed there. Deletion is not on the table, and this proposal is detrimental to the consensus forming there.
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1. Consensus to have this page, and to have it as a disambiguation page specifically, was established on
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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and no other valid entries (or arguably one more per current dab). In either case, dab fails
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redirect also exists, though obviously there was no Lebanese state at the time; same with
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Redirect, if anything, unambiguously (pun intended). Deletion is not in the air there.
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as was done for Lebanon, little other possibility for disambiguation.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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The argument for deletion proper has been addressed on
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list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions
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This makes as much sense as 256:User:Emmette Hernandez Coleman 1: 870:for similar Palestine item. 950:06:34, 12 January 2016 (UTC) 936:23:25, 10 January 2016 (UTC) 915:22:29, 10 January 2016 (UTC) 901:21:21, 10 January 2016 (UTC) 880:16:57, 10 January 2016 (UTC) 65:07:36, 12 January 2016 (UTC) 863:13:03, 9 January 2016 (UTC) 838:06:52, 7 January 2016 (UTC) 815:12:12, 7 January 2016 (UTC) 797:09:40, 7 January 2016 (UTC) 781:Same correct for Palestine. 773:22:56, 6 January 2016 (UTC) 756:18:10, 6 January 2016 (UTC) 729:03:02, 7 January 2016 (UTC) 699:18:34, 6 January 2016 (UTC) 685:17:57, 6 January 2016 (UTC) 654:17:08, 6 January 2016 (UTC) 637:01:10, 5 January 2016 (UTC) 620:01:06, 5 January 2016 (UTC) 592:18:02, 4 January 2016 (UTC) 570:18:02, 4 January 2016 (UTC) 548:18:02, 4 January 2016 (UTC) 526:18:02, 4 January 2016 (UTC) 504:18:02, 4 January 2016 (UTC) 481:16:35, 4 January 2016 (UTC) 466:17:42, 4 January 2016 (UTC) 445:17:36, 4 January 2016 (UTC) 415:14:49, 4 January 2016 (UTC) 392:17:54, 4 January 2016 (UTC) 371:17:10, 4 January 2016 (UTC) 353:15:38, 4 January 2016 (UTC) 324:14:48, 4 January 2016 (UTC) 304:14:40, 4 January 2016 (UTC) 281:14:18, 4 January 2016 (UTC) 231:14:16, 4 January 2016 (UTC) 996: 968:Please do not modify it. 32:Please do not modify it. 919:That was a question to 627:, per Clarityfriend -- 312:Talk:Ottoman Palestine 292:Talk:Ottoman Palestine 217:Talk:Ottoman Palestine 661:- should stay as is. 608:British United States 332:/ consensus changes. 644:. 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