814:. Along with Debresser, I had supported the current dab situation as a temporary solution because we entered into a deadlock of sorts at the talk page. I have been insisting from the beginning that the only logical solution was to redirect to History of Palestine#Ottoman era because this is obviously what "Ottoman Palestine" is referring to and the most likely destination sought by the reader who types "Ottoman Palestine" into the search bar. Redirecting an article about the region of Palestine to an article about the region of Syria is like redirecting
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History of Syria under Ottoman rule let alone Palestine or Lebanon and should probably be renamed "Administrative divisions of Ottoman Syria" or something similar because that's currently what the article is: a list of Ottoman administrative divisions of the region extending from Aleppo to Aqaba. --
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That ignores the fact that
Ottoman Palestine obviously refers to the History of Palestine during Ottoman rule, thus making it the primary topic. Ottoman Syria is secondary if anything and like others have suggested above, could be tacked on as a hatnote of the History section. In fact, "Ottoman
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History of Palestine#Ottoman era. There is nothing ambiguous about the title. There is only one Palestine, and it has only been under Ottoman rule once. So no ambiguity whatsoever, and described in the Ottoman period section of the Palestine article.
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Which is an moot argument, as it has a clear PRIMARYTOPIC. Once the consensus of that primary topic is acknowledged, that leaves the more subtle issue of a potential
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History of Palestine specifically instead of Palestine since the former thoroughly discusses the Ottoman period in Palestine? --
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Palestine#Ottoman era"? Ottoman Israel is currently a dab page like Ottoman Palestine is currently. --
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Ottoman Palestine refers to what happpened in the country during Ottoman rule, or the administrative division of the Ottoman Empire.
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Ottoman Palestine refers to what happened in the country during Ottoman rule, or the administrative division of the Ottoman Empire.
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Ottoman era in the history of Palestine, so I find the case for primacy pretty compelling, and the case for ambiguity nonexistent.
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