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620:) 02 I apologize if I came across in a way that caused you to misinterpret my comments, as this is not the case. I brought it up to present an alternate point of view and stated that I was an actress to present where I was coming from. I am in no way putting myself in authority above anyone else here. However, the topic being debated here is not over this, but rather the notability of Lexi Lawson, so let's get back to discussing that.
389:, a performer is considered notable if they have had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. In the case of Lexi Lawson, stage performances would be applicable. She is performing as Eliza Schuyler Hamilton in the musical Hamilton and is considered a notable replacement according to the show's wikipedia page. She has also performed in two other national broadway tours.
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Broadway.com. and the article about her in the Stir (which while it is a very in depth article about her, but is just one article). That's simply not enough to prove notability.
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Stewart who plays Jefferson/Lafayette and Nicholas Christopher who pays Washington both do not have pages. Second of all, while Hamilton itself is a very large part of current pop culture, that doesn't mean that everybody involved in it is automatically notable.
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I can agree to this and would be happy to host the article as a draft in user space myself. However, I still believe that the article should be kept published. If it is taken away, she will be the only PRINCIPAL cast member of
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541:) 02:07, 9 December 2016 (UTC) I never said was specially qualified, you just made a rather abrupt assumption. I'm simply stating that this area is my specialty and offering my point of view. No where in there did I state I was "specially qualified" as you wrongly assumed I meant.
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