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it isn't notable on an international scale either - it's really really REALLY small! Perhaps you (are you also a member of the party by the way?) should consider notifying some
American scholar of your existence and perhaps s/he will write about "Libertarianism in Sweden" mentioning you. That would be one hell of a third party reliable source. Try it out. As of now, though, noone has written about the party and as thus it does not meet Knowledge's
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party leader. Do you really think that such a thing is more noteworthy and a party with a completely unique – for Sweden that is – political platform? Will it help if I find the two news paper articles about our party? I don't know if there are any online versions of them (but I think there's a pdf of at least one), but I believe I have paper copies somewhere. /
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Hi. Nice of you to think of me =) I hope you understood that my comment wasn't meant to imply that their page should be deleted, not matter how stupid I think that party is (and I do think it's stupid). Naturally
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raid event which gave the Pirate Party an event of juridical catastrophy to associate their issue with and hence rode the wave on that. This party is against the society of Sweden in general from bottom to top and hence have a hard time becomming famous because the concept of libertarianism is so
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Haha! Good point there. But that was not out of stalking. Most
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Insider about the minority parties. Quite a comedy as they had like 25 minor parties in the studio at the same time but none-the less. It is a serious topic and notable although not famous.
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that claims to have an opinion, verifiable identity and some source of information, would require us to include every single political splinter group and joke party ever. That's crap. The "general notability criterion" of
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So you seriously believe that being ignored by the media is the same as not being notable? Curious idea... Anyways, regarding contacting american scholars and similar, we were mentioned on a Free Talk Live episode (viz.
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