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violates this essay which has no real bearing on wikipedia and is nothing more than advice on lists, made by other editors." "I dont like the content," is not a real reason, as has been explaind a couple thousand times already. "I don't think it's managable," pure BS, people have been managaing very well for some time now. "It violates this essay which has no real bearing on wikipedia and is nothing more than advice on lists, made by other editors," need I say more?!!! Give a real reason pertaining to wikipedia guidlines and policy already, otherwise you just mistakenly nominated a good list for deletion, and should remove the tag ASAP! (13Tawaazun14 not signed in)
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better into another genre (such as "pop-punk," or "hardcore") and many of them, while containing emo elements, are too diverse to simply be tagged as an "emo band." Emo is not easily defined enough to have a list of bands. If this category must be kept, then it needs serious revision, but imo, this label is too controversial and subjective for anyone to ever come to a consensus about what bands do/don't belong.
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is an editor, they probably arn't familiar with wikipedias policies and guidlines and won't know that there arn't any absolutes. As a result, a name change would better able the general reader to understand the article. As wikipedia caders to the genreal reader, that's a completly viable opption for a change to this list.
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