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has been, and will continue to be, used objectively in regards to those who have distinguished themselves in combat in service to a state. I do think that a paragraph about the issues relating to the word hero, and a link to an article on dubious individuals such as
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Nothing is ever truely NPOV. An encyclopedia is trying to provide information in as unbiased a manner as possible. To ignore the common definition of war hero (someone who has distinguished themselves in military service to a state) and substitute your own paridigm (war is bad, non-state entities or
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the objections here are inadaquate. The list includes rommel and benidict arnold, both people who are disliked by some, and neither of which was on "our" (USA) side. Look up the word hero. Its not only POV, sometimes it is a historical fact. I find this attempt to remove a clearly encyclopedic
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Delete. The only diffeence between War Heroes and War
Criminals is perspective. Perhaps all suicide bombers should be automatically included in the list; or possibly they should be totally ruled out. Or a compromise, include ours and delete their's. Definitely
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