492:: "Short, complete lists of every item that is verifiably a member of the group. These should only be created if a complete list is reasonably short (less than 32K) and could be useful (e.g., for navigation) or interesting to readers." The list is reasonably short and I'd say it's useful and interesting to readers.
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This non-notable list of non-notable people is a magnet for original research. Long marriages are trivia; the kind of thing you'd see in
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The list is very difficult to verify and could miss eligible marriages from countries with poor records or many records would be paper only. It contains mostly entries from USA where records are better. And only a few from China which has long life expectancy . Birth and marriage records for very
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The title of this list is extremely misleading. This is not a list of people with the longest marriages. Far too many people with long marriages are left out for that title to be accurate or fair to the unindoctrinated reader. Given the list's bias against people from the majority of nations on
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The subject in itself is notable. The nominator's concern regarding original research is not a good argument for deletion; if claims are inserted into the article that are not backed by reliable sources, then the proper response is to remove such claims, not to delete an article about a notable
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Except that, at 112K, it exceeds the 32K guideline by a factor of four, and it's not useful for navigation since zero of the entries are linked (being nonnotable) so that there's nowhere to navigate to. That leaves interesting. Not sure what's interesting about the names of the couple in the
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