251:, as Otto notes, those items with real world notability already have their own articles, and th rest is just fancruft and in-universe details. I tagged the article for notability and unencyclopedic concerns almost a month ago, and no one has done any significant work to address the concerns (or even refuted them).
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There is of course an alternative, which is to delete anything that doesn't have any cited out-of-universe stuff. This means keep Buzz Cola, Duff Beer, Krusty-O's, Radioactive Man Comics and
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if it were an indiscriminate list of names, I'd say "delete", But the article arguably does have some real-world relevance, in that these items are a commentary on the advertising of actual products; thus, Laramie cigarettes are a commentary on
Marlboros; Buzz Cola a parody of Jolt Cola, Pepsi and
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As I'm kinda blocked indefinately I don't suppose there's any point voting as it won't count, but I happened to check my old user page and see this was here. Just as a point of information, I think it's worth noting that this article was created as an amalgamation of smaller even more fan-crufty
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Actually, the reason why I nominated this is list is because I believe it to be beyond repair. Scorpion has added some references for the stuff you can find elsewhere, but that is about as far as you can take this list. I dare you to find any reliable sources containing out-of-universe stuff. I
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You really should take the time to look things up before you comment. The only item with a page is Duff Beer. Squishees, Krusty Os and Buzz Cola have all been sold as items and don't have their own pages. That right there is real world info. Not to mention that several of these items, including
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What's the harm? It's a reasonably good article. The products mentioned are major artifacts of the most significant cartoon in television history. Why WOULD there be any reference to anything besides the
Simpsons? That's nonsensical. Apply an appropriate standard. I found this article by
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Most (all?) of the products you mention have articles already and so any verifiable information about their commentary on existing products should be there. If there is reliable sourcing establishing the notability of the
Simpsons' parodying of products as a concept then it should have its own
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That's not entirely true, because products like
Squishees, Buzz Cola and Krusty Os have been sold as real world products, but don't really need their own page and have been in too many episodes to go any specific page. Perhaps the Kwik-E-Mart page, but that is not the products only claim to
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hard to say why, but I guess I feel many products have had a lasting and important impact on the show, and this is a nice place for them to be. Where is
Laramie Cigarettes or the others supposed to go? Most of them don't have a page they could be incorporated into.
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So how do we determine what item is major? If the article isn't deleted, all items that lack secondary sourcing should be excluded. We can't purport to say that a particular item is major when it's not substantiated independently.
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any other cola whose advertising is satirized; Malibu Stacy is Barbie, etc. Since they can't directly make a put-down of the product of a television advertiser, these surrogates accomplish the purpose indirectly.
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In reality, just because a page is not written well does not mean it has to be deleted. Rather, improve it. Many such lists were previously unorganized and messy, but improved so they are good lists. See
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Well, as of now everything on the list has either been sold in real life or has been featured multiple times during the show. I would say those, and any others which meet one or both of those, are major.
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for proof, is it perfect? No, but it is decent, and much better than the previous version and should certainly not be deleted, neither should this page. 11kowrom 16:00, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
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